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Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus

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Re: Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus

#61
I think this is more on the city and state government than Amazon itself. Of course Amazon was going to push for the sweetest deal they could get but Cuomo and DeBlasio bent the rules too far and the massive push back was justified, if I recall correctly the city council was going to use some really iliberal moves to get this tax package through.

NYC could've had Amazon, even with decent tax breaks, but the government just went too far without the support of its constituents.

Re: Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doubling their office there still pales in comparison to the headcount projected for LIC. 7K max vs. 25k targeted for Amazon. Amazon already has a presence in NYC.

Would be interesting to know how many employees Amazon currently has in NY. I wouldn't be surprised to find out it's already in the thousands.

It is in the Amazon statement: "There are currently over 5,000 Amazon employees in Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Staten Island, and we plan to continue growing these teams."

Disclaimer, I'm one of those 5k. Currently I work from home 99% of the time because the office spaces Amazon has in NY aren't fantastic. It would have been nice to have a new headquarters building, but I'll still be enjoying working from home now I guess.

Re: Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus

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A shame. As an employee of a Big N company in NYC, this would have provided upward pressure on my salary (even if personally I wouldn't want to go work for Amazon). But I didn't like the big tax breaks, and as a taxpayer of the city I'm glad my money won't go towards subsidizing the expansion of one of the world's most valuable companies. It's too bad Amazon wasn't willing to pay their fair share.

Amazon is already in NYC and Newark though!

Not with any serious engineering presence of note. I'm a SWE, so other positions don't affect me.

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"70% of New Yorkers support our plans and investment, a number of state and local politicians have made it clear that they oppose our presence"

Sounds like a negotiating tactic, to encourage residents in support of the campus to put pressure on their representatives in government.

The "politicians" are upset, because their constituents are upset. Amazon, attempting to turn the tables is an interesting tactic - sort of a reverse psychology. I wonder if it will work.

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a counter, I don't have to worry about or co-workers exiting for this fierce competitor with hiring.

Countering my counter: would have been nice to have alternative large tech company to earn a living at.

You're at the hub of fintech!

Re: Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus

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post #5

A shame. As an employee of a Big N company in NYC, this would have provided upward pressure on my salary (even if personally I wouldn't want to go work for Amazon). But I didn't like the big tax breaks, and as a taxpayer of the city I'm glad my money won't go towards subsidizing the expansion of one of the world's most valuable companies. It's too bad Amazon wasn't willing to pay their fair share.

If Amazon moving in creates wage pressure, isn't there basically an indirect yet tangible advantage that both you and NYC/NYS would pay for?

Why should something that vaguely amounts to an arbitrage situation be free?

Re: Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus

#69
post #55

If Amazon had just quietly announced plans to expand to LIC without the "HQ2 Search" dog and pony show they almost certainly would still be here. Google buys entire city blocks and nobody bats an eye. Turns out that publicly shaking down cities across the US tends to draw out the opposition. More publicity = more scrutiny = more angry opponents of your business decision

Their dog and pony show almost netted them $3bn.

That type of payday might be worth a bit of scrutiny.

Re: Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus

#70
After being a resident of NYC for 30 years and seeing the city change and become a technology hub and just a financial center I think this is a real loss for NYC.

It would also be in Long island City which would provide a huge influx of new workers and move that neighborhood forward in development rapidly. The down side would be that it would push some residents and business owners out but this is simply a fact of life in NYC where on a long enough time line every undesirable neighborhood eventually become desirable simply because of increase in residents and increase in real estate prices. That would also conversely make adjacent neighborhoods more attractive.

As for the tax breaks those would eventually be off set and it would still be cheaper than the amount that was spent on a useless Subway line that took a decade and really added no real capacity where it mattered.

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