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“I’m moving out of state”: employees are trying to avoid California income tax

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post #35

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Likewise here in Washington state. All the Californians are fleeing here and implementing the exact same polices that drove them to leave. Odd.

I lived in Seattle in 1993 and people were saying the same thing then. I know that sounds like a snarky throw away comment, but my point is just that people thought the same thing in 1993. I don't know if it's different now, could be.

Were they wrong? Hasn't Seattle shifted to be more like California over time, politically?

Re: “I’m moving out of state”: employees are trying to avoid California income tax

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Good luck with that - if you have a California license plates, drivers license, or they can prove you show up pretty frequently to a California located job - you are going to get caught doing this and fined extensively. Also, WTF: You took advantage of all of the infrastructure of a state to get rich and now you don't want to contribute back? Shame on you and may karma come around for you.

Lol, have you ever actually been to California? The infrastructure was all built in the 1960s, and appears to have been abandoned as thoroughly as the Roman aqueduct system after the barbarian invasions. Easily the most corrupt state I've ever seen; most of the money goes to buying votes.

If anyone lives in a state that is not corrupt, please raise your hand.

Don't be shy. We promise that we won't move in and ruin it for you all at once.

...No one?

Corruption follows the money. Highly paid jobs follow the money. By an argument purely by correlations and assumptions, I'd say that most of the people on HN have highly paid jobs in states with plenty of people, and plenty of money to spend on the tech industry, and therefore also experience some local corruption.

It's easy for a county, parish, or state to be honest when there's really nothing around to steal and no one rich enough to extort. It's only when someone shows up flashing a big wad of cash that people start to think about how to peel a few bills off of it. But then there are also plenty of places that steal as much as they can from everybody, all the time, no matter how poor, because they're the only ones around, and the system is already in place to do it.

So, in short, all rich counties are a little bit corrupt, because they're where the money is. Poor counties are either all the way corrupt, because that's the only way to pay for their corruption, or not corrupt at all, because there'd be no profit in it.

So by this hypothesis, California, Texas, New York, Florida, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Jersey, Georgia, North Carolina, Massachusetts, Virginia, Washington, Michigan, and Maryland are all at least a little bit corrupt. Vermont, Wyoming, Montana, South Dakota, Alaska, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Maine, Idaho, Delaware, West Virginia, New Hampshire, Hawaii, New Mexico, and Puerto Rico might possibly not be corrupt, or might be sickeningly pervasively corrupt, but you don't live there, so how would you know?

Re: “I’m moving out of state”: employees are trying to avoid California income tax

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post #94

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But, what benefit is he getting during his temporary stays there that is worth anything close to the 13% they're taking? California's budget is about 35% health care (his doctor is probably back in Texas), 20% education (his kids if he has any go to school in Texas), and about 20% to pensions for state workers, which he obviously derives no benefit from. So how do you justify taxing someone who doesn't live here base…

If he feels he's not getting sufficient benefit, because of a belief he doesn't live there, he's of course free to choose not to work there.

He's already stated that he's not going to take another $1M+ job in California again. I wish him the best of luck.

Re: “I’m moving out of state”: employees are trying to avoid California income tax

#104
post #46

Yeah, the big fear here in Texas is that they're all going to move down here with their California liberal sensibilities and vote in a state income tax here, too.

Do Conservative Texans fear the free market and people responding to market forces? Maybe Texas ought to raise state taxes as a means of persuading liberals from California to not move there.

If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Re: “I’m moving out of state”: employees are trying to avoid California income tax

#105
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do Conservative Texans fear the free market and people responding to market forces? Maybe Texas ought to raise state taxes as a means of persuading liberals from California to not move there.

If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Metaphorically speaking I have much more than a hammer and most things don't look like nails. But those who embrace free market forces should appreciate the proposed solution. Don't want certain types of people moving into your area? Then make it more expensive. It works remarkably well.

Re: “I’m moving out of state”: employees are trying to avoid California income tax

#106
post #26

As someone that lives in the Bay Area, I wouldn't mind it if our taxes were being used effectively. But we do so little with so much . The state of our infrastructure, public transit and the homeless situation is embarrassing. Especially in SF. The conversation about taxes always seems to be so shallow to the point of being binary. One side saying we need to increase taxes to fix things, the other saying we need to d…

The problem is Prop13. Corporations (and the wealthy who shelter their wealth in them) use the ol' board of directors shuffle to bypass tax reevaluations.

Getting Corps out of Prop13 would massive increase state revenues by taxing the rich.

Trickle-down theory is a sham that tries to justify not taxing the rich. It has been proven time and time again to be unsupported by the data.

Re: “I’m moving out of state”: employees are trying to avoid California income tax

#107

I fly out to California 5 days a week for consulting work currently. I live in Texas. So does my wife and dog. My paycheck’s now include the 13% deduction from California :( I’m leaving this project as soon as possible. Would happily pay 13% more for federal income tax FWIW.

Here's a quick solution: find a client that has an office outside of CA.

Re: “I’m moving out of state”: employees are trying to avoid California income tax

#108
post #93

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>I just don't understand where the tax money is going in the USA at both federal and state levels. You can find it online with a simple Google search. Pensions, medicare and social security are the bulk of the spending.

Two out of the three of those are deferred compensation and linked to earlier wage deductions.

Unless I'm mistaken and the national debt is actually the national assets, the money is obtained through taxes now rather than taxes before.

Re: “I’m moving out of state”: employees are trying to avoid California income tax

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I just don't understand where the tax money is going in the USA at both federal and state levels. You can find it online with a simple Google search. Pensions, medicare and social security are the bulk of the spending.

Two out of the three of those are deferred compensation and linked to earlier wage deductions.

All three are linked to earlier wage deductions, though one of them is in an extremely course grained way.

Re: “I’m moving out of state”: employees are trying to avoid California income tax

#110

A major issue is that California pays for its own stuff, but it also has to pay for most other states’ stuff as well. A lot of other states get by with lower state tax simply because they are net receivers of federal taxes which supplements stuff Californians pay for themselves.

>but it also has to pay for most other states’ stuff as well

Strange this point is so frequently tossed around, despite it being false:

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-california-feder...

"Lawmakers have long lamented that Californians pay more in taxes than they receive back in services, hanging their hats on a 2007 report by the conservative Tax Foundation that California is a "donor state" that receives only 78 cents in services for each dollar in taxes paid. But state analysts point out that report added extra tax dollars from Californians — beyond those actually paid — to cover the state's share of the federal deficit.

Perhaps more accurate is a 2015 state-by-state review compiled by New York officials, one that puts California much closer to breaking even — about 99 cents in federal services for every real dollar in taxes."

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