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“I’m moving out of state”: employees are trying to avoid California income tax

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Re: “I’m moving out of state”: employees are trying to avoid California income tax

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Post by Jhndb »

octonion wrote: post #8
tenpies wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And 99% of the world would act in the same way if they had the luxury of that problem. I understand why Leftist populists love attributing some sort of exceptional immorality to the wealthy, but people act on incentives. Give them an incentive to leave and they will leave.

If you live in California, you obey California laws or you go to California jail. If you don't agree with what California has decided is necessary for a healthy society, you have states like Mississippi and Louisiana to choose from. Good luck finding a high-paying job there.

Or all the other states with plenty of high paying tech jobs

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Post by CompelTechnic »

>If you’re hanging out in California for nine months or more in a year, you’re considered a Californian. But even if you’re there for shorter periods, the state can still consider it your domicile if the fact pattern shows that you’re treating California like your real, true home. And that’s why advisers recommend that the megarich do a ton of sometimes unpleasant things to establish a real domicile elsewhere.

This is a key point in the article. California goes out of its way to bend the rules in its favor, and to claim certain people are residents when a basic residency test does not determine that they live there. I have previously read horror stories of people hounded for years, having to fight it out, and either paying taxes they do not owe or accumulating late fees for taxes that they should not owe.

It is fair to set a stricter, objective, residency test. But it isn't fair to treat people the way they are doing it now.

Re: “I’m moving out of state”: employees are trying to avoid California income tax

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Post by bob_theslob646 »

scottlocklin wrote: post #9
outside1234 wrote: post #2

Good luck with that - if you have a California license plates, drivers license, or they can prove you show up pretty frequently to a California located job - you are going to get caught doing this and fined extensively. Also, WTF: You took advantage of all of the infrastructure of a state to get rich and now you don't want to contribute back? Shame on you and may karma come around for you.

Lol, have you ever actually been to California? The infrastructure was all built in the 1960s, and appears to have been abandoned as thoroughly as the Roman aqueduct system after the barbarian invasions. Easily the most corrupt state I've ever seen; most of the money goes to buying votes.

You are not wrong, but by per capita it is less.

Page 26. UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS’ OFFICES FEDERAL PUBLIC CORRUPTION CONVICTIONS BY DISTRICT OVER THE PAST DECADE (https://www.justice.gov/criminal/file/1096306/download)

Re: “I’m moving out of state”: employees are trying to avoid California income tax

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Post by addicted »

A major issue is that California pays for its own stuff, but it also has to pay for most other states’ stuff as well.

A lot of other states get by with lower state tax simply because they are net receivers of federal taxes which supplements stuff Californians pay for themselves.

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Post by sigi45 »

tenpies wrote: post #4
AlexandrB wrote: post #3

> The state of California treats capital gains just like any other income, levying a 13.3 percent state tax on sales of stock. For someone sitting on tens of millions of dollars in private stock — life-changing money for some — it’s not a small concern. Yes, it literally is! It's 13% - that's about the same as sales tax in many places and nowhere near AOC's 70% tax. This is greed, plain and simple. 99% of the world w…

And 99% of the world would act in the same way if they had the luxury of that problem. I understand why Leftist populists love attributing some sort of exceptional immorality to the wealthy, but people act on incentives. Give them an incentive to leave and they will leave.

Or someone who has already a shitton of money just stop trying to get the most out of it Everytime.

Re: “I’m moving out of state”: employees are trying to avoid California income tax

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Post by Reedx »

As someone that lives in the Bay Area, I wouldn't mind it if our taxes were being used effectively. But we do so little with so much. The state of our infrastructure, public transit and the homeless situation is embarrassing. Especially in SF.

The conversation about taxes always seems to be so shallow to the point of being binary. One side saying we need to increase taxes to fix things, the other saying we need to decrease them.

What about efficiency? We can do a lot more with what we have.

Re: “I’m moving out of state”: employees are trying to avoid California income tax

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Post by toomuchtodo »

commandlinefan wrote: post #20

Yeah, the big fear here in Texas is that they're all going to move down here with their California liberal sensibilities and vote in a state income tax here, too.

The only constant in the world is change.

Re: “I’m moving out of state”: employees are trying to avoid California income tax

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Post by bhauer »

scottlocklin wrote: post #9
outside1234 wrote: post #2

Good luck with that - if you have a California license plates, drivers license, or they can prove you show up pretty frequently to a California located job - you are going to get caught doing this and fined extensively. Also, WTF: You took advantage of all of the infrastructure of a state to get rich and now you don't want to contribute back? Shame on you and may karma come around for you.

Lol, have you ever actually been to California? The infrastructure was all built in the 1960s, and appears to have been abandoned as thoroughly as the Roman aqueduct system after the barbarian invasions. Easily the most corrupt state I've ever seen; most of the money goes to buying votes.

I live in California for the weather and the fact that other people are here. Government services and infrastructure are below average, in my opinion. Infrastructure is serviceable where I live (Los Angeles) but not reflective of the massive income of the state.

Without the weather, Los Angeles would lose a huge amount of its appeal. All it would have left is the simple fact that a lot of people already live here. But with its weather, it's like a year-round paradise to many people.

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Post by chrshawkes »

octonion wrote: post #8
tenpies wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And 99% of the world would act in the same way if they had the luxury of that problem. I understand why Leftist populists love attributing some sort of exceptional immorality to the wealthy, but people act on incentives. Give them an incentive to leave and they will leave.

If you live in California, you obey California laws or you go to California jail. If you don't agree with what California has decided is necessary for a healthy society, you have states like Mississippi and Louisiana to choose from. Good luck finding a high-paying job there.

Ridiculous comment. I live in VA and we're doing quite well thank you. Silicon Valley incomes without the state corruption. Our problem is electing a decent governor apparently. I'll take VA over California every time.

Re: “I’m moving out of state”: employees are trying to avoid California income tax

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Post by vonmoltke »

scottlocklin wrote: post #9
outside1234 wrote: post #2

Good luck with that - if you have a California license plates, drivers license, or they can prove you show up pretty frequently to a California located job - you are going to get caught doing this and fined extensively. Also, WTF: You took advantage of all of the infrastructure of a state to get rich and now you don't want to contribute back? Shame on you and may karma come around for you.

Lol, have you ever actually been to California? The infrastructure was all built in the 1960s, and appears to have been abandoned as thoroughly as the Roman aqueduct system after the barbarian invasions. Easily the most corrupt state I've ever seen; most of the money goes to buying votes.

> Easily the most corrupt state I've ever seen

You have obviously not spent significant time in New Jersey or Louisiana.

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