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Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by wolco »

The bigger question. Why do we treat bot visits differently. Automated submissions or manual have the same rate limiting controls that prevent more submissions than expected. The content of a form shouldn't be acceptable or not based on who sent it (human or machine) there needs to be another verification process against the data submitted to expected/acceptable values.

Why couldn't a bot purchase a droplet or shoes. As a saler I would be happy to sell to them. Purchases would be quicker and less wasted resources with humans browsing the same product pages for months before buying.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by forgotmypw2 »

tracker1 wrote: post #162
miguelmota wrote: post #156

As a user who's constantly clicking on the crosswalk or storefront images you can't help but to think that you're essentially working for free training Google's machine learning models by providing them with supervised data points.

That's what ReCaptcha always was... it was originally a known and another unsure text blurb from scanned books/text documents. Now it's street signs etc.

Don't forget the bonus: all your forum accounts can be linked to your google account, just in case you didn't use your gmail as the email address.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by zxcvbn4038 »

codeulike wrote: post #128

Its getting weird when you have to fill that box in with pen and paper Marci Robin was buying a Fiat 500X from a West Palm Beach, Florida dealership, and was in the final stages of signing all the paperwork, when she was presented with a strange but simple question: was she a robot? This wasn’t online or anything, she was right there, in person, in front of the sales person, who wanted her to check a box, with a pen,…

I had roughly the same problem. My facebook career lasted for all of thirty seconds before they decided I was a robot and banned my account. I appealed and they asked me to send a photo. I sent them a photo and they said I was still a robot and there was no further appeal. Very helpful. So my choices from that point are to 1) shame them in the media and hope its an entertaining enough story that people like it or 2) do something better with my time then facebook. I chose the latter.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by foxhop »

ianferrel wrote: post #204
gcb0 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they stopped using the text because some forum campaign that promoted typing cursewords instead of the unkown word. they probably started showing cursewords on the rendered search highligths on google books. there was a decent write up from a whitehat showing the damage, but I can't find it

Cite? I can't imagine some forum has enough traffic to meaningfully screw up their data, and they don't tell you which of the two words is the unknown word, so you're just going to fail a lot doing that.

It was very obvious which was which and you had a 50/50 chance. I can confirm this used to work and I always used a curse word plus the known word.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by jachee »

ianferrel wrote: post #204
gcb0 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they stopped using the text because some forum campaign that promoted typing cursewords instead of the unkown word. they probably started showing cursewords on the rendered search highligths on google books. there was a decent write up from a whitehat showing the damage, but I can't find it

Cite? I can't imagine some forum has enough traffic to meaningfully screw up their data, and they don't tell you which of the two words is the unknown word, so you're just going to fail a lot doing that.

Sounds like something 4chan would advocate.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by dtrailin »

djflutt3rshy wrote: post #2

The box has made browsing using TOR insufferable! It fusses and makes me click storefronts and traffic lights until I run out of patience and close out of whatever webpage I was trying to visit. I assume it has to do with a lack of Google cookies on the browser, essentially punishing me for trying to protect my privacy.

I get the feeling that 90% of the check is if you are signed into a Google account, otherwise you're going to click some images. I've noticed this a lot of incognito mode where I will almost always have to do a captcha.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by Leherenn »

ianferrel wrote: post #204
gcb0 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they stopped using the text because some forum campaign that promoted typing cursewords instead of the unkown word. they probably started showing cursewords on the rendered search highligths on google books. there was a decent write up from a whitehat showing the damage, but I can't find it

Cite? I can't imagine some forum has enough traffic to meaningfully screw up their data, and they don't tell you which of the two words is the unknown word, so you're just going to fail a lot doing that.

It was pretty big on 4chan at least at some point in the early 2010's. And the unknown word was always the hard one to read iirc.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by rolph »

SilasX wrote: post #16
teilo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those images are infuriating! Click all boxes with traffic lights. Ok, well, this one box just barely contains the bottom right corner of the traffic light. Click. Nope, that little corner didn't count. Try again. Ok, well on this one, the right side of the traffic light is only barely over the line, so I won't click it. Nope, that sliver of the light mattered this time. MF!

Heh, maybe one day they can show a bunch of pictures of sand, where each subsequent pic has a grain removed, with the instructions "click on all the heaps". Spambots will solve the Sorites paradox!

click on each star that is currently visable out your window :-/

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by dragonwriter »

wolco wrote: post #221

The bigger question. Why do we treat bot visits differently. Automated submissions or manual have the same rate limiting controls that prevent more submissions than expected. The content of a form shouldn't be acceptable or not based on who sent it (human or machine) there needs to be another verification process against the data submitted to expected/acceptable values. Why couldn't a bot purchase a droplet or shoes.…

> Why do we treat bot visits differently.

Because bots are used in multitarget and multisource spam attacks that humans can’t do efficiently; rate limiting on any particular target site, particularly for submissions from a particular source, cannot prevent such attacks.

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