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Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by tyrust »

littleweep wrote: post #163
miguelmota wrote: post #156

As a user who's constantly clicking on the crosswalk or storefront images you can't help but to think that you're essentially working for free training Google's machine learning models by providing them with supervised data points.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Where is our compensation? It's our time and brain power training Google's AI that will one day be sold back to us. I'm really not into this.

reCAPTCHA provides protections to site owners for free. By using reCAPTCHA, site owners pass the cost of said protection on to their users.

disclaimer: work for google, nothing related to reCAPTCHA though. opinions are my own, etc.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by jammygit »

human wrote: post #175
littleweep wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Where is our compensation? It's our time and brain power training Google's AI that will one day be sold back to us. I'm really not into this.

Are you kidding? Your compensation is all the free apps you get (Gmail, Maps, etc.) You’ll rarely see a Captcha for a paid product once they have your cc info.

I get most of my captchas while attempting to access products I've paid for already (very few at purchase time).

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by darkpuma »

nomel wrote: post #63
teilo wrote: post #6

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Those images are infuriating! Click all boxes with traffic lights. Ok, well, this one box just barely contains the bottom right corner of the traffic light. Click. Nope, that little corner didn't count. Try again. Ok, well on this one, the right side of the traffic light is only barely over the line, so I won't click it. Nope, that sliver of the light mattered this time. MF!

I actually have a few screenshots where the task was impossible since the data was mislabeled. The latest example was "click all of the buses". It wouldn't let me continue because I wouldn't select the fire truck. My naive assumption is that you should click the "refresh" button in these cases.

> " It wouldn't let me continue because I wouldn't select the fire truck."

Another one is "click the mountains". It typically won't let you through unless you click anything with trees on the horizon, even if the terrain is clearly flat. Google's robot thinks mountains are made out of wood, and any human who disagrees is labeled a robot. It's insanity.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by SquareWheel »

seotut2 wrote: post #104

I think recaptcha and captcha in general are very overused today, as they cause way too much inconvenience for the user. Why discriminate against robots so much? What's so wrong about crawling or using automated tools? With today's networks and hardware performance most websites shouldn't concern themselves with denial-of-service type of attacks, unless they're past a certain threshold of popularity.

Because 99% of bots on the web are spam bots. Naked email addresses are skimmed and cataloged. Any unprotected contact form will receive dozens of spam messages per day. Forums constantly get new members that only post linkspam.

There's very few friendly bots like archive.org, and those respect meta robots tags anyway.

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Post by hamburga »

littleweep wrote: post #163
miguelmota wrote: post #156

As a user who's constantly clicking on the crosswalk or storefront images you can't help but to think that you're essentially working for free training Google's machine learning models by providing them with supervised data points.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Where is our compensation? It's our time and brain power training Google's AI that will one day be sold back to us. I'm really not into this.

Gavin Newsom, the governor of CA, spoke about this in his State of the State yesterday: https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-aler...

This book offers one set of proposals for "Data as Labor", inspired by Jaron Lanier: http://radicalmarkets.com/chapters/data-as-labor/

And there's going to be a lot of discussion of the idea at the RadicalxChange conference in March (https://radicalxchange.org/), including with Jaron himself as well as the book authors. (Disclosure: I do the conference website as a volunteer).

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by brokenmachine »

nixpulvis wrote: post #89

I feel like a "bot" with access to control your mouse and read the output from the graphics system (aka get an image of the screen in real-time) could have little trouble with these things.

>could have little trouble with these things

That's a bit of an ambiguous sentence - are you saying they would have little trouble, as in not much trouble, or the opposite?

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Post by Frondo »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #62
Kalium wrote: post #18

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An excellent, wise, and cogent question! In fact I do have data. You can find it here: https://blog.cloudflare.com/the-trouble-with-tor/ > On the other hand, anonymity is also something that provides value to online attackers. Based on data across the CloudFlare network, 94% of requests that we see across the Tor network are per se malicious. That doesn’t mean they are visiting controversial content, but instead that…

Isn't cloudflare the org that "Doesnt censor under any circumstances", and then turned around and censored white supremacists? Not that I agree with them (I DONT!), but it was a full 180. And also, isn't cloudflare also the one to allow booters and stressers to be online behind CF - and they used stolen CC's to boot? The Tor decisions to screw users over is just the cherry on top. Especially is egregious is when a ca…

Everyone should censor and shun white supremacists. They have no place in modern society. When they shed their noxious views, we can all welcome them back with open arms.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by YUMad »

sneakernets wrote: post #177
crankylinuxuser wrote: post #70

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> My timezone has not changed, my IP address and rough location has not changed, my screensize has not changed, my broadband speed has not changed, and my general computer dexterity has not changed, yet I am relentlessly targeted. On chrome I never saw these challenges, but on firefox with the privacy plug-ins I am always always always challenged. That's because Google isn't just profiling "Tor users". They're going…

There is no Google "punishment algorithm". It's just computers being dumb.

Sometimes people intentionally make computers dumb.

Re: Why can’t a bot tick the 'I'm not a robot' box?

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Post by udfalkso »

jammygit wrote: post #182
human wrote: post #175

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Are you kidding? Your compensation is all the free apps you get (Gmail, Maps, etc.) You’ll rarely see a Captcha for a paid product once they have your cc info.

I get most of my captchas while attempting to access products I've paid for already (very few at purchase time).

Imagine if those sites had to build their own captcha service instead. How much more expensive would they be?
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