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Nasa’s Mars Rover Opportunity Concludes a 15-Year Mission

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Re: Nasa’s Mars Rover Opportunity Concludes a 15-Year Mission

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Was looking through Opportunity's Wikipedia page, and found this cool comparison of the embedded systems used in Mars rovers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_embedded_compute... That lead me to the RAD6000 page, which was new to me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_RAD6000 "Reported to have a unit cost somewhere between US$200,000 and US$300,000, RAD6000 computers were released for sale in the general co…

A couple of factors.

1) The yield rates for spaceflight-qualified chips is very, very low. Like 1%-5% or so. The chips are inspected when they come out of fab, and only the most perfect ones are given a spaceflight certification. The rest of the chips are used for other, less stringent applications (test boards, or military/embedded applications).

2) Spaceflight parts have significant paper trails. For metal parts, they are traced from the moment a lot of material comes out of the mill, and every time it is touched or changes hands thereafter that fact is recorded. Same thing with chips. Every chip has a "traveler" associated with it that records when it was manufactured, how it was stored, etc. Keeping those records costs a surprising amount of money. Handling the parts so the paper trail can be kept costs even more. You have to organize your logistics train such that every part is individually trackable. That reduces efficiency and adds cost.

3) Relatively low economies of scale.

Re: Nasa’s Mars Rover Opportunity Concludes a 15-Year Mission

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End of an era. We'll meet Opportunity again one day. Same thing happened with Cassini. It's kinda poetic to see these outposts of Humanity's reach fade out after a sublime performance.

More interesting would be when someone else from another species finds them in a couple of million years in the future and wonders what their purpose was all about.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a testament to the engineering excellence happening at NASA.

Also a testament to the value of under-promising. :)

If I remember correctly the reason they did not expect the mission to last longer than that was because they expected the solar panels to get covered with dust and thus render them useless. I don't think they had banked on martial winds to regularly clean them.

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Opportunity's and Spirit's original missions were planned to last 90 Martian days each. They ended up lasting over 8,000 combined. That is almost as impressive as getting the rovers to Mars in the first place.

Just a humorous take... This is SOP for government projects. "No worries, it'll be complete in 90 days." 8,000 days later....

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the related follow-up: https://xkcd.com/2111/

This one always breaks my heart: https://xkcd.com/695/ (It's about Spirit, not Opportunity, but still).

Some people weren't happy, so...

(fan made) https://i.imgur.com/VbKV9DF.jpg

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

you do realize the mars rover was supposed to last 90 days? and we re still receiving data from the voyagers. any robot missions to mars will still be remotely-orchestrated, however AI can be used to manage the time lag between earth and mars

I'm not sure how the supposed duration of the mission relates to AI? Also, how would AI help with the time lag?

> I'm not sure how the supposed duration of the mission relates to AI?

i was responding to the assertion that humans are more 'up to task' for space exploration

> Also, how would AI help with the time lag?

giving the robots some autonomy to navigate / build between commands would speed up their mission and making up for the 15 minutes delay

Re: Nasa’s Mars Rover Opportunity Concludes a 15-Year Mission

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Was looking through Opportunity's Wikipedia page, and found this cool comparison of the embedded systems used in Mars rovers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_embedded_compute... That lead me to the RAD6000 page, which was new to me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_RAD6000 "Reported to have a unit cost somewhere between US$200,000 and US$300,000, RAD6000 computers were released for sale in the general co…

A couple of factors. 1) The yield rates for spaceflight-qualified chips is very, very low. Like 1%-5% or so. The chips are inspected when they come out of fab, and only the most perfect ones are given a spaceflight certification. The rest of the chips are used for other, less stringent applications (test boards, or military/embedded applications). 2) Spaceflight parts have significant paper trails. For metal parts, t…

Commercial aircraft also track provenance very carefully. I wonder how much the two systems have informed each other over the years.

You would never want a part involved in a stress test to be reused, and you certainly don't want test parts anywhere near a production craft. This isn't like IT where you can cannibalize parts from a QA box to put into a production server.

Re: Nasa’s Mars Rover Opportunity Concludes a 15-Year Mission

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post #72
post #12

End of an era. We'll meet Opportunity again one day. Same thing happened with Cassini. It's kinda poetic to see these outposts of Humanity's reach fade out after a sublime performance.

More interesting would be when someone else from another species finds them in a couple of million years in the future and wonders what their purpose was all about.

Cassini was deliberately pushed into Saturn's atmosphere and destroyed (so as not to potentially contaminate habitable worlds) so we probably don't need to worry about that.

Also, there's a great documentary TV series called "7 Days Out" on Netflix which covers the last week of the Cassini mission.

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