Is analogous to trying to start conversations on YouTube using video. Twitter wasn’t meant for that, yet. Is more of a post-commenting system, with potential for response, see Elon Musks tweets. No way can have a conversation longer than 2-3 responses before people fall off
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NPR and PBS didn't invent anything, they used an established technology to be a not-for-profit public good. The National Public Internet wouldn't be breaking ground, it would be using social media for the public good.
That is all fine. You could have public (state owned) websites, apps, social networks and such. I'd argue that wikipedia, lichess and such are public services already. I personally have more confidence in that sort of a model (os, community run, etc) than a traditional public service model, but there's room in the bed for three. The problem is the same though. These services need to do more than just exist. They need…
Oh fuck no.
the last thing we want is state owned and operated social networks and apps. whats next, swipe left to report hate speech? swipe right to report suspicious activity. a site where every picture is subject to scrutiny by government agencies because they were submitted to same?
the idea that twitter should be a public utility vastly over exaggerates its impact in the life of the average person, American or not. If anything that message is tailor made to boost the value of the company. there is nothing twitter is doing that cannot be replicated, you just need time, good marketing, and money. Three needs of every successful business.
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#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
The experience of using the internet to teach or learn about computers has not improved since 1992, but that is because there was a robust population of people using the internet of 1992 to teach and learn about computers. If you wanted to teach or learn about a particular chronic health condition on the other hand you would struggle to find others on the internet of 1992 who shared your interest. In 1992 the web exi…
> The experience of using the internet to teach or learn about computers has not improved since 1992 I disagree. > The web was the first significant internet service to offer a GUI. No, it wasn't. > before the web you had to use terminal-based interfaces to access any internet service. No, you didn't. Most significant internet service had GUI clients before the web; this is certainly the case for all of news, mail, g…
I was using a terminal to access the internet till 1997. Not a terminal-emulation app on a computer, but an actual terminal. So I didn't have the relevant experience to support my claim that "before the web you had to use terminal-based interfaces to access any internet service" and I retract the statement.
The web however was the first internet service that the majority of its users used a GUI to connect to.
Actually a large number of internet users became internet users simply because they were issued a Sun workstation by their employers, and Sun workstations came with internet clients pre-installed. I believe that a large fraction of the users of internet email in the 1980s were of such a nature, so allow me to qualify my previous paragraph to exclude those users because I don't know enough about their usage habits.
In what ways do you prefer the experience of teaching or learning about computers on the internet of today to the internet of 1992? Do you prefer the web to netnews? (I do, too, but not enough to cancel out the effect of all the web pages containing false information about computers or low-quality exposition thereby making it harder to find the high-quality exposition.)
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#214Has it ever been the place to have an interview or 1:1 conversation? That it didn't work well seems like something that would be known in advance, and so the choice of doing it this way feels more like grandstanding on the part of KS.
Not saying Twitter doesn't have problems, just that this seems to be an interview constructed to support a narrative right from the start.
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Do you think the rate of improvements in TV from 1930 to 2018 have been unacceptable? I'm not suggesting all of the social web become government controlled, I am saying there should be a national public social channel. The public web would still innovative, but sometimes you just want NPR.
Government-controlled is only a positive if it means the government can control the thing better than private organizations, and this simply isn't the case. NPR and PBS have certainly done a lot of good stuff, stuff that at least at one time might not have been possible on commercial TV, but these media also suffer from the same kinds of bias that privately-run media suffer from, except it's on our dime. They are pai…
> Government-controlled is only a positive if it means the government can control the thing better than private organizations
I don't agree with that. There are a lot of reason why government-controlled things can be a positive, even if they aren't better than private versions of those things. Sometimes simply having access for all, even if the access isn't as high quality as private access is useful. Having access for people with disabilities when it's not in the financial interest of private companies to serve those people is useful, for example.
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#216A lot to unpack recently with Twitter and Jack. A few thoughts. 1. Jack doesn’t seem passionate about product, especially Twitter. 2. Kara seems to lack the vocabulary to talk about product which is both surprising and confusing, given her niche and time spent in it. She also doesn’t understand that Twitter has evolved way beyond Jack. “Why don’t you know, it’s your product!” she kept asking. The fact he doesn’t know…
The last damn thing we need is a government run social network. We saw a preview of how that would be run when the current administration decided to manipulate/fake comments on the FCC site during the net neutrality debate.
The ideal balance for things like this is a properly regulated social network, where said regulation focuses on holding the social network responsible for spread of fake information and hate speech.
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#217Twitter sucks as a discussion platform but it excels as an insult delivery system.
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#218A lot to unpack recently with Twitter and Jack. A few thoughts. 1. Jack doesn’t seem passionate about product, especially Twitter. 2. Kara seems to lack the vocabulary to talk about product which is both surprising and confusing, given her niche and time spent in it. She also doesn’t understand that Twitter has evolved way beyond Jack. “Why don’t you know, it’s your product!” she kept asking. The fact he doesn’t know…
The last damn thing we need is a government run social network. We saw a preview of how that would be run when the current administration decided to manipulate/fake comments on the FCC site during the net neutrality debate. The ideal balance for things like this is a properly regulated social network, where said regulation focuses on holding the social network responsible for spread of fake information and hate speec…
The last damn thing we need is a government determining what is and is not hate speech.
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#219A lot to unpack recently with Twitter and Jack. A few thoughts. 1. Jack doesn’t seem passionate about product, especially Twitter. 2. Kara seems to lack the vocabulary to talk about product which is both surprising and confusing, given her niche and time spent in it. She also doesn’t understand that Twitter has evolved way beyond Jack. “Why don’t you know, it’s your product!” she kept asking. The fact he doesn’t know…
I don't think Twitter is a conversational medium, essentially. It certainly isn't a good one, for complex conversations. It's hard to find the horse-and-boogie analogy for something that's essentially new, but bumper sticker, or billboard is more apt. On the public utility front... email exists, RSS exists, the www exists... all open platforms, public by some (the right) definitions. The problem is that an open field…
Kara lacks a certain subtlety (or is it dignity?) when it comes to journalism. She regularly puts her own esteem above her work.
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The one thing that reddit and Hacker News lack is the ability to easily see new posts on an existing thread (though you can get this with a reddit gold subscription or becoming a moderator). The other thing they lack is an index of comments (like you would see with a mail reader). Those two features made something like usenet with a good news reader easier to use compared to reddit or Hacker News.
Reddit does have that, although I'm not sure how an index of comments would be useful... What would they be indexed by? I agree that Usenet is fantastic for discussion, too bad it fell out of popularity...
> I'm not sure how an index of comments would be useful... What would they be indexed by?
By index, I mean a threaded list of messages that one can scroll through without having the message body present. In an email/news client, you would typically see something like:
Subject Some Author Date
Re: Subject Another Author Date
Re: Subject A third Author Date
Re: Subject A fourth Author Date
Re: Subject A fifth Author Date
Re: Subject Some Author Date