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Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

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Post by SquishyPanda23 »

saas_sam wrote: post #153
theNJR wrote: post #132

A lot to unpack recently with Twitter and Jack. A few thoughts. 1. Jack doesn’t seem passionate about product, especially Twitter. 2. Kara seems to lack the vocabulary to talk about product which is both surprising and confusing, given her niche and time spent in it. She also doesn’t understand that Twitter has evolved way beyond Jack. “Why don’t you know, it’s your product!” she kept asking. The fact he doesn’t know…

Do you think the rate of improvements that have happened to the internet would be sustained if it were run by the government? I sure don't. Moving decision-making capabilities away from the public and into the hands of bureaucrats sounds like a good way to increase surveillance, decrease innovation, and lord knows what else. I really hope that idea does not take off.

Decision making is in the hands of bureaucrats. A large multi-national corporation is essentially the definition of bureacracy.

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Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

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Post by cabalamat »

One of my motives for building meowcat2[1] is that Twitter doesn't do threading very well[2]. (Another motive is I don't want the web to be controlled by a few big corporations).

[1]: https://github.com/cabalamat/meowcat2

[2]: https://cabalamat.wordpress.com/2018/03/04/twitter-gets-mess...

Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

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Post by chrisco255 »

hollerith wrote: post #165
saas_sam wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think the rate of improvements that have happened to the internet would be sustained if it were run by the government? I sure don't. Moving decision-making capabilities away from the public and into the hands of bureaucrats sounds like a good way to increase surveillance, decrease innovation, and lord knows what else. I really hope that idea does not take off.

Funnily enough the internet was run by governments from when it started in 1969 through 1992 or 1993. Specifically, The US government paid for most of it with most of the rest being paid for Great Britain, the Scandinavian countries and maybe Finland. Unless they happened to be next door to an organization that already had a connection, US organizations had to lease a dedicated circuit from a phone company to connect…

Would you argue that the internet changed and improved more from 1969 to 1992 or 1992 to present day?

Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

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Post by ConceptJunkie »

theNJR wrote: post #167
saas_sam wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think the rate of improvements that have happened to the internet would be sustained if it were run by the government? I sure don't. Moving decision-making capabilities away from the public and into the hands of bureaucrats sounds like a good way to increase surveillance, decrease innovation, and lord knows what else. I really hope that idea does not take off.

Do you think the rate of improvements in TV from 1930 to 2018 have been unacceptable? I'm not suggesting all of the social web become government controlled, I am saying there should be a national public social channel. The public web would still innovative, but sometimes you just want NPR.

Government-controlled is only a positive if it means the government can control the thing better than private organizations, and this simply isn't the case.

NPR and PBS have certainly done a lot of good stuff, stuff that at least at one time might not have been possible on commercial TV, but these media also suffer from the same kinds of bias that privately-run media suffer from, except it's on our dime. They are paid for, in part, by the public, but the public has no say in what they do.

I simply can't imagine a government-controlled social channel being any better. There would be constant fights and protests over what is or is not allowed. Having to police such a channel for truly objectionable content (e.g., everyone reasonable would agree that racist hate speech shouldn't be allowed) will quickly become censorship (e.g., "MAGA" or "Feel the Bern" aren't allowed). It sounds like a slow-motion trainwreck coming from miles off.

Twitter and other social media platforms have major problems by trying to reserve their rights to the benefits of being a publisher and the benefits of being carrier, but trying to dodge the disadvantages and responsibilities of either. There is absolutely no way a government-run version would be better, and many reasons why it would be worse. For one thing, by being a public "utility" everyone would (rightly) feel they should have a say in how it's run.

Twitter sucks (and I don't use it), but it may be the best we can get right now. Anything better can probably only come from the market.

Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

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Post by ConceptJunkie »

everdev wrote: post #83
eeeeeeeeeeeee wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The one use case I’ve seen of Twitter is rapid fire updates about some developing situation, like an emergency. But it can’t be a back and forth discussion. It can be one person or many people adding to a combined discussion via that hashtag. However, even when I see people do what is effectively a long form blog post on Twitter, I often give up on it before the end because it’s too frustrating.

Twitter was billed as a microblogging platform. Blog posts are 1-way communication. Want a discussion? Allow comments and make them visually separate and less prominent just like blogs do.

Twitter is a million soap boxes in the town square.

Perhaps what we really need is a million meeting rooms that people can enter or leave as they desire.

I don't use Twitter, but I do use Facebook to keep up with family and friends, but the primary value I get out of it is from the groups I belong to, often private, where people can have (moderated, if needed) discussions about topics of common interest.

Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

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Post by cabalamat »

skybrian wrote: post #150
zanny wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We already have Twitter as a utility, its called ActivityPub and dozens of products and thousands of independent instances are now using it. If Twitters higher ups were serious about "being a utility' they would federate on what is on track to become the browser social protocol from the W3C.

ActivityPub seems like an interesting protocol waiting for a killer app. Mastodon is a reasonable start, but too much like Twitter.

> ActivityPub seems like an interesting protocol waiting for a killer app

You may well be right.

If someone builds a new and innovative social network, it will start with 0 users and probably won't be able to compete with existing networks, due to network effects.

But if someone builds a new and innovative social network using ActivityPub, it can piggyback on all ActivityPub's existing users, so network effects help it (and help existing ActivityPub systems).

ActivityPub means that innovation in the social networking space can now succeed, and is thus a game changer.

Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

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Post by cvwright »

theNJR wrote: post #132

A lot to unpack recently with Twitter and Jack. A few thoughts. 1. Jack doesn’t seem passionate about product, especially Twitter. 2. Kara seems to lack the vocabulary to talk about product which is both surprising and confusing, given her niche and time spent in it. She also doesn’t understand that Twitter has evolved way beyond Jack. “Why don’t you know, it’s your product!” she kept asking. The fact he doesn’t know…

> National Public Internet

You want to put Ajit Pai (or someone like him) in charge of Twitter, Facebook, etc?

Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

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Post by imh »

aboutruby wrote: post #26

I think only Reddit has mastered the large-scale discussion involving thousands or ten of thousands of people at the same time.

Hacker news does some parts of that better, like promoting new comments higher. On reddit, a new comment is unlikely to be visible enough to get traction.

Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

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Post by stonewhite »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #63
harryf wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially when you can deliver insults without the threat of receiving a smack in the face back

In the UK you can get arrested for tweeting in opposition to the groupthink, not a smack in the face as such, ...

Same happens in Turkey very regularly as well
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