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How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

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Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

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This is like acting surprised that a skateboard is not a suitable vehicle for going on a long vacation with.

The newsworthy bit is that Jack seemed tripped up by it, too. Why agree to an interview in a format that will showcase the worst aspects of your product?

My theory is that Jack is trying to expose the flaws of twitter to the rest of the company. A way of bludgeoning the stubborn in the company by a blitz of bad press

Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

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Which is how it became a unicorn because it turns out that humans get addicted to being angry

Especially when you can deliver insults without the threat of receiving a smack in the face back

Perhaps not a "smack" from the /target/ of your insult, depending on your local laws...

In the UK we have the wonderful mix of various repressive speech offence laws [0] and an underfunded police force that like to scan Twitter

[0] https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/human-rights/free-spee...

Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

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In the UK you can get arrested for tweeting in opposition to the groupthink, not a smack in the face as such, ...

Can you cite some examples of people being prosecuted for saying things on twitter that aren't, you know, bomb threats or holocaust denial etc.

"Section 127 [of the Communications Act 2003] has been used to prosecute a young man who tweeted his frustration about being unable to see his girlfriend due to airport closure. His tweets, which were made without intent to carry out their content or incite others to do so, resulted in his conviction for being a menace under the Act – thankfully that conviction has now been overturned;" https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/human-rights/free-spee...

"according to Miller on Wednesday this week, he found himself answering questions — for 34 minutes – from an officer from Humberside Police... On that account, Miller says things such as ‘trans women are not women’" https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/01/is-it-now-a-crime-to-l...

"In 2016, British police detained and questioned 3,300 people for making ‘offensive’ comments on social media " https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/will-making-jokes-abou...

Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

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Maybe we hang out in different circles, but I've never heard the level of insults IRL that I have read on Twitter. I have a feeling the large majority of those doing the insulting would be terrified to say those things to someones face because they know a physical altercation would end up being the common response.

HN User mc32 is being overly general in characterizing working class people. Lower working class people aren't out insulting each other and using expletives any more than "white collar" people. I live in both worlds, and that's just a stereotype with no basis in reality. In fact, I'd say that the average tech type speaks in a far more base fashion than most of the garbage men I know. (Certainly more base than any of…

I’ve seen higher incidence of insults at working class bus stops, bus lines and workplaces. Sometimes it’s vagrants, sometimes it’s just people about their business who get fed up with something. On Caltrain I see fewer incidents than on the VTA or MUNI. I’ve taken them all. I’ve worked in working class neighborhoods and worked with them too. They tease each other a lot, sometimes they go over the line and then some get worked up, etc. They might throw epithets as a means of retaliation against perceived slights (as minor as asking to get by (passage)).

Now, I do hear indirect insults in white collar circles where they insult other people not present (for example berating working classes for the choices in life they make) but we’re not talking about indirect insults. We’re talking the ones where there is the potential for direct retaliation.

Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

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The newsworthy bit is that Jack seemed tripped up by it, too. Why agree to an interview in a format that will showcase the worst aspects of your product?

My theory is that Jack is trying to expose the flaws of twitter to the rest of the company. A way of bludgeoning the stubborn in the company by a blitz of bad press

You seem to be giving him too much credit.

His recent interviews and (lack of) leadership have shown that he bludgeons no one, and the stubborn person is him. He's just an unusual kind of stubborn: unwilling to make any decision at all.

Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

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I dunno about you, but most people don’t react to insults with physical injury, though in extreme cases that does happen. Not that baseless insults should be encouraged.

most people don’t react to insults with physical injury I'm not quite so sure about that. Most people don't hurl insults face-to-face. If people acted like their twitter personalities IRL, I would expect to see a massive uptick in fistfights.

>Most people don't hurl insults face-to-face.

I think you're wrong. I think most people do hurl insults face-to-face. They just don't do it often. Most people, especially of the working class, can very easily get into these kinds of spats in the real world.

Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

#97

Regardless of what Twitter is or isn't, how in the world is the CEO surprised by how his product works? And we're not talking some obscure corner case, but basic use case? Having a conversation was a learning experience for him and his team? Such a basic level of unfamiliarity with their own product gives me a lot of pause that he can do anything to guide the company on fixing rampant automated accounts or making it…

It's not like the example in the article would be hard to reproduce. It's not like those insanely tricky bugs that only present themselves in rare circumstances.

They would easily test for this and fix it. They do not care.

Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

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Markdown is the worst kind of formatting except for all the others. I literally don't know how to write a sentence with more than one asterisk in on HN, and I've been here several years. Formatting is hard but Reddit at least follows a known standard and has a "formatting help" link right under the comment box if you need it.

And yet something as basic as a preview is missing. Reddit's community-driven browser plugin ([0]) at least adds that, HN's counterpart [1] sorely needs it. --- Come to think of it, is there a definitive guide to HN comment formatting? Implementing a preview feature in [1] would be doable if the markup is documented. [0]: https://redditenhancementsuite.com/ [1]: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-e…

https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc

It's hidden behind the FAQ.

Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

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In the UK you can get arrested for tweeting in opposition to the groupthink, not a smack in the face as such, ...

Can you cite some examples of people being prosecuted for saying things on twitter that aren't, you know, bomb threats or holocaust denial etc.

This isn't quite Twitter, but I think Instagram is close enough: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-43816921

Teenager was found guilty of "sending a grossly offensive message" because she cited lyrics of a song in memory of a dead friend.

Re: How hard is it to have a conversation on Twitter? So hard even the CEO can’t

#100

Twitter was founded as a micro-blogging service, not a forum. It evolved into the anonymous comment section for the entire internet somewhere along the way. Seems like neither side were being self aware in this case. I'm also not sure exactly what the product problem is with Twitter. The only exposure I have to a group of people upset about Twitter are the folks that Joe Rogan had on his podcast, and their complaints…

Don’t you think the inherent design — “microblogging” — encourages a toxic environment? Most people aren’t poets or great writers, so I just frequently see people talking past each other or misreading what has been said because there is zero nuance.

I'm not sure the design is responsible for much of that. I see plenty of people on Reddit and this very site who talk past each other and skip straight over the nuance when it is presented. I also see favoritism shown to the "sound bite"-style comments over the thought out ones, particularly on contentious issues.
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