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Re: Show HN: DeskGap – Like Electron, but uses the system webview

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

toyg wrote: post #173
faitswulff wrote: post #152

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> Not everyone on earth is a dev/gamer/video-editor. For regular people, electron is a cancer that needs to be nipped in the bud. That's not how I expected that sentence to end. I don't think regular people are nearly as concerned with performance as the groups you listed are. Regular people are probably using Electron via Slack for work and if it's slow and bloated it's ultimately not their problem. Even a few secon…

The irony of talking about "regular people" and then using Slack as somebody "regular people" actually use. "Regular people" are likely to encounter electron by using Telegram or Whatsapp on the desktop, or some recent MS product like Skype. Whether they care or not about bloat, I don't know. I know those chat programs used to have annoying problems with cut & paste and not supporting basic assistive technology (i.e.…

As usual, "regular people" means whatever the poster needs it to mean in order for their argument to make sense. It's a straw man.

Re: Show HN: DeskGap – Like Electron, but uses the system webview

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Post by O_H_E »

fermienrico wrote: post #63
aylmao wrote: post #49

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> Nobody This is like claiming nobody wants to write C because no one wants to manage their own memory in 2019, or miss out on all the cool new packages in the JS ecosystem. Evidently _some people_ do. I can assure you there's at least number _n > 1_ of people who care more about app size than either of your points. I personally wrote a side project in system web-view, because I don't want my macOS-only system-tray a…

No need to go too far to find an example: Sublime Text and Sublime Merge. While this route is probably not for quick app deployment, but boy can it kick ass when properly done in C++ with custom GUI framework. I love Sublime Text and Sublime Merge. I love their philosophy towards software design. I love how they value user experience above everything else. There are very few pieces of software that give you so much p…

Sublime feels like a marriage between TUI & GUI. * Everything is controllable by keyboard * Mouse based menus for one-time usage * Command Palette is awesome and very useful * FAST * Scriptable

Really hope they can keep being profitable.

Re: Show HN: DeskGap – Like Electron, but uses the system webview

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Post by GordonS »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #171
Kovah wrote: post #127

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You are comparing apples with pears. Sublime can't be compared to VS Code because the former is basically an advanced editor while the latter is an IDE (like PhpStorm or Atom). And I highly doubt that many users switching from Sublime to VS Code. They use one or the other for a specific reason, like a blazing fast and distraction free editing experience in Sublime - something you do not have in VS Code or any other I…

The line between advanced text editor and lightweight IDE is basically non existent. Plenty of former sublime users are on VS code now.

I use VSCode for programming (Typescript), but it's also become a great replacement for my usual native text editor (Notepad2). I love how performant yet, feature-packed and extensible it is, and since I keep my notes in Markdown format, the `yzhang.markdown-all-in-one` extension is really useful.

Re: Show HN: DeskGap – Like Electron, but uses the system webview

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Post by O_H_E »

horse-cuddler wrote: post #99
fermienrico wrote: post #63

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No need to go too far to find an example: Sublime Text and Sublime Merge. While this route is probably not for quick app deployment, but boy can it kick ass when properly done in C++ with custom GUI framework. I love Sublime Text and Sublime Merge. I love their philosophy towards software design. I love how they value user experience above everything else. There are very few pieces of software that give you so much p…

This is a bit of a surprising thing for me to hear, because I found Sublime Text's user experience to be rather poor, and certainly inferior to its Electron-based competitor VS Code.

Have you tried searching commands with the "command Palette". It makes everything discoverable for me. I personally LOVE the UX

Re: Show HN: DeskGap – Like Electron, but uses the system webview

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Post by markn951 »

w0utert wrote: post #175
fxfan wrote: post #137

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> snappy enough to run > Electron is a new brainer Not everyone on earth is a dev/gamer/video-editor. For regular people, electron is a cancer that needs to be nipped in the bud. Remember, 91% of the desktop on earth is Windows (meaning regular USD 300 machines). And of them I'd wager less than 10% fit have machines where electron is snappy (1.2K Thinkpads). What the earth needs is a better cross platform native GUI…

>> What the earth needs is a better cross platform native GUI framework. NOT electron. I always like to use VSCode as an example. It's a tool a use on a daily basis, and I like almost everything about it. It's also a poster-child for a good Electron application, maybe one of the best around. Add to that I completely understand why it was made using Electron, and why it might not have existed in this form (available,…

>But it's not.snappy.enough.

I was following you until this line... In general I agree about Electron though probably not to the same degree as you. But for me VSCode runs amazingly well; I think the only thing that tops it is Sublime (and I vastly prefer VSCode's interface and features). Not saying that what you said isn't your experience, but you should know it's not everyone's experience.

Re: Show HN: DeskGap – Like Electron, but uses the system webview

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Post by O_H_E »

jcelerier wrote: post #98
arcturus17 wrote: post #74

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Never heard a non-programmer user complain about the Spotify or Slack desktop apps, but that’s just me.

non-programmer users don't complain because they don't know how bad they are fucked. A few weeks ago my non-technical neighbours told me that their computer was "a bit slow" and if I could "install a new antivirus". Here's what "a bit slow" meant : - windows took 7 minutes to boot - IE took more than a minute to open And of course it wasn't always like that, but the proverbial frog was boiled long enough that it took…

Horror. 4 antivirus programs in 2G RAM

That makes me think of what school and uni digital illiteracy should look like.

Re: Show HN: DeskGap – Like Electron, but uses the system webview

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Post by FiddlyPack »

toyg wrote: post #173
faitswulff wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not everyone on earth is a dev/gamer/video-editor. For regular people, electron is a cancer that needs to be nipped in the bud. That's not how I expected that sentence to end. I don't think regular people are nearly as concerned with performance as the groups you listed are. Regular people are probably using Electron via Slack for work and if it's slow and bloated it's ultimately not their problem. Even a few secon…

The irony of talking about "regular people" and then using Slack as somebody "regular people" actually use. "Regular people" are likely to encounter electron by using Telegram or Whatsapp on the desktop, or some recent MS product like Skype. Whether they care or not about bloat, I don't know. I know those chat programs used to have annoying problems with cut & paste and not supporting basic assistive technology (i.e.…

Electron has a leg up in this regard long term, insomuch as the web is a platform that folks using assistive tech often use, Chromium is a reasonable target for assistive web technologies, and Electron apps have a higher chance of using accessible semantic building blocks by default.

Now, in practice? Yeah, not so good right now.

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