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Free Money Didn’t Help People Find Jobs, Finland Says

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Re: Free Money Didn’t Help People Find Jobs, Finland Says

#21

Can anyone explain to me, with basic income, why wouldn't I want to sit at home all day and play videogames?

Well, if you do that, you might as well become a streamer and find employment that way. Or maybe write about it and become a reviewer.

Basically, most people want to do something meaningful with their time so they'll work with something they like. Most millionaires still work for example, even though they have means enough to stop at any time.

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#22

Can anyone explain to me, with basic income, why wouldn't I want to sit at home all day and play videogames?

Can someone explain to me, with varying job wages, why I wouldn't just take a low effort shelf stacking or cleaning job? Is it obvious yet?

Because those jobs are boring and require a lot of physical effort.

Re: Free Money Didn’t Help People Find Jobs, Finland Says

#23

Can anyone explain to me, with basic income, why wouldn't I want to sit at home all day and play videogames?

You could. It is a very low amout of money though, so I'm not sure you'll be able to afford nice computers and recent videogames.

And if you wanted more money, why wouldn't you work part time, to have a more confortable life ?

Re: Free Money Didn’t Help People Find Jobs, Finland Says

#24
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But are there jobs available in Finland? 560 euros is not much in Finland; I don't expect people to willingly stay home and live off this amount.

There are currently weird issue in Finland. There are labor shortage and more than 146k unemployed people in Finland at the same time.

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#26

Can anyone explain to me, with basic income, why wouldn't I want to sit at home all day and play videogames?

A person would take a job for the same reason that people take higher paid jobs with more responsibilities over lower paid jobs with fewer responsibilities: more money.

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#27
This whole study is a tragedy.

They made a study on a basic income, it cost huge amounts of money, and it was build to fail by declaring a stupid goal.

The other results look quite promising, but I tried looking into the data and unfortunately it's very weak. They made only questionaires and the return rates were very low, so it doesn't say much. They had really stupid mistakes in the report (confusing p-values and chi^2 values, wrong additions), all seems really sloppy.

In sum they made a study on a stupid goal, and the real results are not very meaningful due to poor methodological quality of the stury.

Re: Free Money Didn’t Help People Find Jobs, Finland Says

#28

Can anyone explain to me, with basic income, why wouldn't I want to sit at home all day and play videogames?

yeah, why not? If that makes you happy, with UBI, you can withdraw from society.

But I bet that after a while, also videogames will get boring. You will feel the need to do something outside. Be it some volunteering, just to meet people, or a job you love. Without the need to be profitable, the tyranny of profit.

It wouldn't be that bad, right?

Re: Free Money Didn’t Help People Find Jobs, Finland Says

#29
no, but it makes people happy.

Now, obviously that's a bit against the capitalist grain and all that, but think of it this way:

the Luddite rebellion, and mass unrest happened in the UK because people's livelihoods were taken away. Either through automation, or enclosure.

This left thousands upon thousands of people with little left to lose forced to crime in order to eat.

This is expensive for wider society, you need to spend money of security, courts, jail, insurance public damages.

Paying money to make them happy, so that they don't _have_ to turn to crime, or a radical dictator candidate is a price worth paying.

Re: Free Money Didn’t Help People Find Jobs, Finland Says

#30

Can anyone explain to me, with basic income, why wouldn't I want to sit at home all day and play videogames?

Can someone explain to me, with varying job wages, why I wouldn't just take a low effort shelf stacking or cleaning job? Is it obvious yet?

Most people would prefer welfare than a job like that, even if the job meant more money.
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