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Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by manigandham »

Tepix wrote: post #248
manigandham wrote: post #229

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A single stable identifier would've solved the whole situation and Apple already had it with Advertising ID. Exposing that to the browser would've been enough so Safari could've been ahead of the curve.

"Solved the whole situation"? From what perpective? Completely killing privacy is not a solution, quite the opposite.

Advertising ID is Apple's own standard and already in use. It's what mobile apps use but it's the most privacy conscious method since it has no personal details and can be reset at anytime.

Making that available for apps and websites would've eliminated 99% of cookies and user syncing pixels since the industry could use a short-term stable ID to track engagement and conversions.

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by LorenzA »

pupdogg wrote: post #225
capsulecorp wrote: post #196

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And when the wheel is so bloated the car can barely make it down the road without needing to refill the fuel tank a new more lightweight reliable wheel that can handle modern terrain is needed. That is why people are moving away from Jquery.

I am going to root for bloated jQuery to save my life! $('.tpm_sensors').forEach(function(sensor) { if (sensor.pressure vs: var tpm_sensors = document.getElementsByClassName('tpm_sensors'); for (var i = 0, len = tpm_sensors.length; i < len; i++) { var sensor = tpm_sensors[i]; if (sensor.pressure < threshold) fixBeforeIDie(); }

document.querySelectorAll('.tpm_sensors').forEach((sensor) => {if (sensor.pressure < threshold) { fixBeforeIDie(); }});

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by thatgerhard »

austincheney wrote: post #235
acdha wrote: post #185

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If you actually try to do this yourself, you’ll learn why Bootstrap is popular. You’ll spend plenty of time making everything consistent across browsers, responsive, visually consistent, accessible (a legal requirement for most of us), etc. If you’re working on a big project with a dedicated team, that approach can give you quite a lot but there are a ton of projects which prefer to spend their time on the core produ…

> If you actually try to do this yourself, I do frequently. There are many things in life that are hard and cross-browser CSS is not among them. In the past I have found things like Bootstrap and jQuery to be more of a frustration than a benefit by introducing cross-browser differences in their attempt to help . At the same time they don't fix the cross browser differences that really impact layout, such as differenc…

100% agree with you. Especially now that almost all browsers are up to scratch, cross browser isn't a problem anymore. If some of these guys had to work with IE5/6 they would probably quit the industry.

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by barrystaes »

thrownaway954 wrote: post #95
tcd wrote: post #48

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jQuery _did_ lots of useful stuff. It's unmaintained, has no interest/support (look at their github), doesn't adapt to modern features, is 'slow' compared to other frameworks that now use the Shadow Dom, and can be replaced with features that are native to JS - what's there not to like about that? One less dependency, network request and more efficient code is always worth the effort. Oh, and since the new code is va…

JQuery is still maintained. The last pull request was 2 weeks ago. Remember that this is a _mature_ project and as such doesn't need the plethora of pull requests everyday. Personally if you are spending all that time and energy recreating the wheel just to say "you don't use JQuery ", you're being an idiot and might as well just use JQuery. Seriously I wonder how much they actually spent in dollar hours on this pull…

> Personally if you are spending all that time and energy recreating the wheel just to say "you don't use JQuery "

Heavy movie trailer voice Consider a world, where there is no problem that required jQuery.

I refer to React and such.

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by Nimelrian »

interlocutor wrote: post #218
dylan604 wrote: post #217

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> Look at how simple things are in the left column, and how much more code is needed in the right column. This is misleading. Sure, that immediate code is cleaner in the left column. However, to do that, you have to have the entire JQuery library loaded as well. Sure, it's hidden, but the library looks like the code on the right column. I'm not knocking JQuery, as I use it a lot.

>> However, to do that, you have to have the entire JQuery library loaded as well. But you didn't have to write that code or debug it.

Nowadays you'd use fetch anyway which would reduce that code to not much more than the jQuery samples.

That is, if you don't need to support IE (And I feel like we're finally in the phase where it slowly, but steadily dies off). Otherwise you can ponyfill it.

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by black-tea »

arp242 wrote: post #39

This PR is massive and represents a year and a half of work. If you look at the comments you see there are loads of browser-specific issues being fixed. IE support was dropped as they didn't feel making stuff compatible (jQuery did that for them before). The API is also incompatible; in the words of one dev: "we broke everything". As one of the commenters pointed out, a lot of stuff was copied from jQuery to make it…

> Whereas before it was "jQuery for EVERYTHING", now it seems to be the reverse: "remove jQuery from EVERYTHING",

Reminds me of "replace ALL tables with divs" in the mid 2000s. I actually saw developers spending inordinate amounts of time using divs and css to display tabular data across browsers (which back then meant the one you used: Firefox, and the one everyone else used: IE6).

I'm not sure what causes this black and white thinking. I guess it's laziness. It's easy to spot the word jquery and say "bad". It's more difficult to consider each case independently.

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by martin_a »

alerighi wrote: post #138
arp242 wrote: post #39

This PR is massive and represents a year and a half of work. If you look at the comments you see there are loads of browser-specific issues being fixed. IE support was dropped as they didn't feel making stuff compatible (jQuery did that for them before). The API is also incompatible; in the words of one dev: "we broke everything". As one of the commenters pointed out, a lot of stuff was copied from jQuery to make it…

A thing I always didn't like of Bootstrap is that it requires you to load a full version of jQuery just to use it. Maybe I don't need the whole jQuery, because I use another framework, or because I have a very simple site that doesn't require any JavaScript at all. The thing is that when Bootstrap first launched everyone was using jQuery, so it was a de facto standard, everyone already had it, so requiring it as a de…

> practically nobody is using jQuery

Well, yeah, no: https://trends.builtwith.com/javascript/jQuery

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by dylan604 »

dajohnson89 wrote: post #227
dylan604 wrote: post #216

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How was Apple killing the floppy a slightly risky move? Granted, we have hindsight now, but when they released the first machine without a floppy I had already said good riddance to lame 1.5MB slower than christmas devices. The only thing I miss about floppies are the sounds they made. The heads cycling back and forth and the Mac eject sounds were so distinct. I also do not miss the ADB connections, nor do I miss SCS…

Just curious, what's your opinion on their decision to remove the headphone jack?

That's one of the post Apple Computer decisions that bugs me. I'm a relic and like my headphones with wires attached. My wired cans have this unique feature of not needing to be recharged.
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