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Amazon, GM in talks to invest in electric pickup truck maker Rivian: sources

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Re: Amazon, GM in talks to invest in electric pickup truck maker Rivian: sources

#11

I saw this vehicle at the LA Auto Show and was able to speak to a team member prior to the general doors opening for a little while. Really cool technology at play here and it sounds like they have their shit together a lot more than Tesla. The fact that they take advantage of the individual motors to steer the vehicle without turning the wheels is pretty cool. It can rotate in-place similar to a tank.

Is that for all steering? That sounds like a tremendous waste of tires.

Re: Amazon, GM in talks to invest in electric pickup truck maker Rivian: sources

#12
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Why do auto makers seem to be so against working with Tesla to bring electric vehicles to market? Now that I think about it, it seems like most car companies are trying to do the electric thing on their own, and if they do ask for help it’s from somebody that’s sort of out of their industry and not a direct competitor (yet). This is in contrast with for example how Mazda is working with Toyota on hybrid drive, and ho…

> I’ve always wondered why a business model for them isn’t to just provide the skateboard platform for other companies to build upon

Volkswagen beat them to it. Volkswagen has developed their MEB electric car platform which they will use across their VW, Audi, SEAT, and Skoda brands:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_MEB_platform

https://jalopnik.com/the-fascinating-engineering-behind-vws-...

VW is also open to licensing the platform to other manufacturers. Ford is thinking about using the MEB platform for their EVs:

https://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-wants-other-automakers-to-us...

Re: Amazon, GM in talks to invest in electric pickup truck maker Rivian: sources

#13

I saw this vehicle at the LA Auto Show and was able to speak to a team member prior to the general doors opening for a little while. Really cool technology at play here and it sounds like they have their shit together a lot more than Tesla. The fact that they take advantage of the individual motors to steer the vehicle without turning the wheels is pretty cool. It can rotate in-place similar to a tank.

Is that for all steering? That sounds like a tremendous waste of tires.

When you are not on pavement it makes sense. The vehicle steers like a normal truck most of the time but has the ability to steer in place if necessary. Sand, snow, gravel etc...

Re: Amazon, GM in talks to invest in electric pickup truck maker Rivian: sources

#14

The only thing I really take issue with on this truck is that the spare tire is accessed through the top of the bed. There are two reasons you don't want to do this in a truck: 1.) The bed needs to be very strong because people routinely put weight on dunnage in the bed, and the door doesn't appear to be corrugated to withstand load. 2.) If you want to change your flat tire you need to unload everything in the bed, w…

I think the reason the spare tire isn't more easily accessible is because of the importance of aerodynamics in electric vehicles (It can't just be bolted underneath or to the back). Also the CEO mentioned in an interview that the spare tire can be removed to gain a large water proof storage compartment under the bed.

Re: Amazon, GM in talks to invest in electric pickup truck maker Rivian: sources

#15
I really hope Rivian makes it. They seem to have the right idea working from the top of the market down like Tesla. They could probably survive on only high-end low volume sales for quite a while. I hope Tesla gives them time and room to grow before introducing their own truck.

Also - There was a video with Sandy Munro on it and he couldn't talk about Rivian so he's either working with them or someone who wants to invest in them. So it seems like they are getting the right brains working on their problems.

Edit - this video, which is very interesting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVnRQRdePp4

Re: Amazon, GM in talks to invest in electric pickup truck maker Rivian: sources

#16

The only thing I really take issue with on this truck is that the spare tire is accessed through the top of the bed. There are two reasons you don't want to do this in a truck: 1.) The bed needs to be very strong because people routinely put weight on dunnage in the bed, and the door doesn't appear to be corrugated to withstand load. 2.) If you want to change your flat tire you need to unload everything in the bed, w…

>you need to unload everything in the bed, which will be a huge pain in the ass on the side of the road.

Who says that’s even going to be possible? It sounds like a complete design flop to me.

Re: Amazon, GM in talks to invest in electric pickup truck maker Rivian: sources

#17
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Why do auto makers seem to be so against working with Tesla to bring electric vehicles to market? Now that I think about it, it seems like most car companies are trying to do the electric thing on their own, and if they do ask for help it’s from somebody that’s sort of out of their industry and not a direct competitor (yet). This is in contrast with for example how Mazda is working with Toyota on hybrid drive, and ho…

Both Toyota and Mercedes sought Tesla's help with EVs for their California "compliance" vehicles: both the RAV4 EV and the Mercedes B-class EV had a Tesla frame, motors, batteries, and drive controller underneath. I don't know about the MB but the Toyota was rumored to cost roughly 2x the list price. In 2014, after Toyota made roughly 2000 of them (the minimum required by law) they stopped.

You can read about the common problems on the forums; lots of the same problems Teslas had in the time period (i.e. loss of all propulsion while driving, loud motor noises followed by eventual motor failure, etc) in addition to software problems bridging the two companies' systems.

All solvable but I'm sure Tesla prefers selling $100k cars better than selling $15k generic skateboards.

Re: Amazon, GM in talks to invest in electric pickup truck maker Rivian: sources

#18

This is interesting, so now Rivian is worth between 1 and 2 billion, while TSLA is worth "only" 53; makes TSLA look undervalued.

Tesla kind of is for what it has pulled off with the Model 3. Either Tesla is undervalued or Rivian is overvalued.

Re: Amazon, GM in talks to invest in electric pickup truck maker Rivian: sources

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Why do auto makers seem to be so against working with Tesla to bring electric vehicles to market? Now that I think about it, it seems like most car companies are trying to do the electric thing on their own, and if they do ask for help it’s from somebody that’s sort of out of their industry and not a direct competitor (yet). This is in contrast with for example how Mazda is working with Toyota on hybrid drive, and ho…

Both Toyota and Mercedes sought Tesla's help with EVs for their California "compliance" vehicles: both the RAV4 EV and the Mercedes B-class EV had a Tesla frame, motors, batteries, and drive controller underneath. I don't know about the MB but the Toyota was rumored to cost roughly 2x the list price. In 2014, after Toyota made roughly 2000 of them (the minimum required by law) they stopped. You can read about the com…

I thought the MB B-class EV had Tesla motors but their own battery tech. MB has made huge investments in battery factories.

https://electrek.co/2018/10/08/mercedes-benz-breaks-ground-b...

Re: Amazon, GM in talks to invest in electric pickup truck maker Rivian: sources

#20

The only thing I really take issue with on this truck is that the spare tire is accessed through the top of the bed. There are two reasons you don't want to do this in a truck: 1.) The bed needs to be very strong because people routinely put weight on dunnage in the bed, and the door doesn't appear to be corrugated to withstand load. 2.) If you want to change your flat tire you need to unload everything in the bed, w…

>you need to unload everything in the bed, which will be a huge pain in the ass on the side of the road. Who says that’s even going to be possible? It sounds like a complete design flop to me.

One could always place the spare in the cabin for situations where it will be less accessible.

But yeah, major design problem.

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