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Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by chrisweekly »

pault wrote: post #191
rmrfrmrf wrote: post #170

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1) it doesnt ignore it 2) anyone claiming not to have a single `style=""` attribute (which is almost as specific and 1000x less maintainable) in their code is lying

I will swear on my life that I haven't used a style attribute in the last five years. Since I started using BEM for namespacing I have had a very easy time keeping my CSS clean and maintainable. I won't deny others their opinions, though.

BEM is a decent convention for old-school, global document styling, in the absence of scope. But it's also manual, error-prone, and verbose, making it a poor substitute for actual namespacing provided by components. I sympathize with your resistance to css-in-js; I've been doing webdev since 1998 and only really embraced it in the last couple years. I'm reminded of quotes like "The difficulty lies not so much in new ideas, but in escaping the old."

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by bgorman »

philwelch wrote: post #147
runarberg wrote: post #67

This is funny. I was thinking that Bootstrap should be suffering the same fate as jquery. That is, it’s relevance should be decreasing as web technology catches on. I see no reason for using a third party layout system now that CSS has `display: flex;` and `display: grid;`. As for modals and menus, HTML has ` ` and ` `. And for reusable components, we have custom elements, that you can either implement your self (not…

This sounds like the frontend equivalent of, "Docker is irrelevant because the kernel already supports cgroups and namespaces".

It is more like "Stop using Flash for video players, use the browser's native support instead"

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by exodust »

capsulecorp wrote: post #196
exodust wrote: post #187

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When the wheel is prone to damage from small bumps, and can't handle off-road, a new stronger reliable wheel that handles all terrain is needed. That's what Jquery offers.

And when the wheel is so bloated the car can barely make it down the road without needing to refill the fuel tank a new more lightweight reliable wheel that can handle modern terrain is needed. That is why people are moving away from Jquery.

I would not call Jquery bloated, relative to what is typically found on a website. Some of us still like using it, as the syntax is convenient and functionality reliable. There's an elegance and readability about it that appeals to me more than vanilla JS.

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by dylan604 »

okonomiyaki3000 wrote: post #160
tcd wrote: post #48

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jQuery _did_ lots of useful stuff. It's unmaintained, has no interest/support (look at their github), doesn't adapt to modern features, is 'slow' compared to other frameworks that now use the Shadow Dom, and can be replaced with features that are native to JS - what's there not to like about that? One less dependency, network request and more efficient code is always worth the effort. Oh, and since the new code is va…

> One less dependency, network request and more efficient code is always worth the effort. Except that 90% of sites that use BS5 will continue to use JQ for other things anyway so, in reality, you won't have less code, fewer requests, etc. Personally I've felt for a while that JQ's day in the sun is over and that developers should really think about whether they need it or not. Maybe really getting rid of it starts w…

How was Apple killing the floppy a slightly risky move? Granted, we have hindsight now, but when they released the first machine without a floppy I had already said good riddance to lame 1.5MB slower than christmas devices. The only thing I miss about floppies are the sounds they made. The heads cycling back and forth and the Mac eject sounds were so distinct. I also do not miss the ADB connections, nor do I miss SCSI. I also do not miss System 7,8,9. Some of the decisions Apple has "forced" upon us have not all been bad. Although, all of those decisions were made when they were a computer company. The forced decisions after have sucked. I'm looking directly at you TouchBar, butterfly keyboard, MacPro Trashcan, AMD GPU only, and loss of MagSafe.

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by dylan604 »

interlocutor wrote: post #195
tcd wrote: post #48

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jQuery _did_ lots of useful stuff. It's unmaintained, has no interest/support (look at their github), doesn't adapt to modern features, is 'slow' compared to other frameworks that now use the Shadow Dom, and can be replaced with features that are native to JS - what's there not to like about that? One less dependency, network request and more efficient code is always worth the effort. Oh, and since the new code is va…

jQuery still does a lot of useful stuff. The best advertisement for jQuery, ironically, is this site: http://youmightnotneedjquery.com/ Look at how simple things are in the left column, and how much more code is needed in the right column. jQuery has many convenience features such as chaining, for example: item.addClass('selected').siblings().removeClass('selected'); and you don't have to check for nulls after each s…

> Look at how simple things are in the left column, and how much more code is needed in the right column.

This is misleading. Sure, that immediate code is cleaner in the left column. However, to do that, you have to have the entire JQuery library loaded as well. Sure, it's hidden, but the library looks like the code on the right column.

I'm not knocking JQuery, as I use it a lot.

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by interlocutor »

dylan604 wrote: post #217
interlocutor wrote: post #195

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jQuery still does a lot of useful stuff. The best advertisement for jQuery, ironically, is this site: http://youmightnotneedjquery.com/ Look at how simple things are in the left column, and how much more code is needed in the right column. jQuery has many convenience features such as chaining, for example: item.addClass('selected').siblings().removeClass('selected'); and you don't have to check for nulls after each s…

> Look at how simple things are in the left column, and how much more code is needed in the right column. This is misleading. Sure, that immediate code is cleaner in the left column. However, to do that, you have to have the entire JQuery library loaded as well. Sure, it's hidden, but the library looks like the code on the right column. I'm not knocking JQuery, as I use it a lot.

>>However, to do that, you have to have the entire JQuery library loaded as well.

But you didn't have to write that code or debug it.

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by omeid2 »

manigandham wrote: post #206
jefftk wrote: post #201

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Safari shards their cache by first party domain, so you don't get that caching benefit there.

Didn't know that. Looks like Safari is continuing it's devolution into becoming the next IE.

Advertisers have abused every single factor possible for tracking, including ETAGs and many other aspects of cache. Don't blame Safari for protecting it's users from disingenuous and dodgy tracking.

Re: Bootstrap 5 will remove jQuery as a dependency

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Post by sundvor »

philwelch wrote: post #149
sundvor wrote: post #140

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If you ever need a new job, basically recruiters will laugh at you for not using React / Angular.

There's a whole tangent about resume-oriented development here.

Agreed. I've seen otherwise great developers overlooked by recruiters just because they haven't been practicing RDD.

Thankfully there are still places that will see past that. Still, the idea of "keeping up" does need to factor in, and the experience could serve as a wake up call to where the industry is headed.

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