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Re: The Free and Open Internet

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post #18

That free model that Wilson louds got us to this point in the first place. Over last twenty years that Wilson been making money investing in free Twitter, etc., thousands of people lost jobs in journalism, etc. He has no solution or suggestion, just ranting. Isn't he the freemium guy anyhow?

I have the rejection email from Fred Wilson printed out and stuck to the wall next to my desk at the office. It says: this VC won't fund your startup because it's difficult, and I suspect no others will either. There are better ways to make money.

What was your startup about?

Re: The Free and Open Internet

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the rejection email from Fred Wilson printed out and stuck to the wall next to my desk at the office. It says: this VC won't fund your startup because it's difficult, and I suspect no others will either. There are better ways to make money.

What was your startup about?

We're a data management platform for public infrastructure. Think domo or mulesoft meets apigee for government. It certainly hasn't been easy, but I'm proud we've made a lot of progress since that rejection email! :)

Re: The Free and Open Internet

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> paywalls should federate, like the early ATMs did, so that joining one means joining them all That’s an interesting idea. I imagine it could work sort of like Spotify Premium but with a twist. Perhaps that is not what he meant but it’s what I came to think of so that’s what I want to talk about. Of course the real problem is getting all/enough/any of the paywall sites to switch. I’ll get back to this but for now le…

Federation among publishers would be a difficult business challenge. Apple's rumored "Netflix for news" subscription service would be a centralized approach for managing subscriptions or micro-payments. It would not be a giant step beyond their existing Apple News app (on iOS and macOS).

https://www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/apple-reportedly-plans-...

Re: The Free and Open Internet

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> paywalls should federate, like the early ATMs did, so that joining one means joining them all That’s an interesting idea. I imagine it could work sort of like Spotify Premium but with a twist. Perhaps that is not what he meant but it’s what I came to think of so that’s what I want to talk about. Of course the real problem is getting all/enough/any of the paywall sites to switch. I’ll get back to this but for now le…

> End-users might derive more value from some sites than others. In the extreme case there could be two or more sites where one site had a really really good article that the end-user derived a lot of value from but in the same month they read a lot of content on the other site/sites that did not provide them with anywhere near the value of the single only article they read on the other site. And yet they end up giving most of their money to the sites that provided them with less value.

The solution to this is to allow the user to apportion their monthly fee between the sites, but only for the current month. If the user doesn't specify anything for this month then it gets apportioned based on articles read. Then there is no trouble in forgetting because if you forget then the default is in proportion to the number of articles. On the other hand, if the publication posts clickbait or articles padded with filler, the user can retaliate by allocating 0% to that publication for the month. And if there is a really great article you can do the opposite and allocate more.

I suspect the real problem here is that the publishers would need to take the long view, even though they're struggling already. Because if they did this, the first thing that would happen is that any users who subscribe to more than one such publication already would subscribe to the combined service and save money. So the first thing that happens is a short-term revenue decline.

Then the advantage of getting every publication for one fee allows them to gain new users, but that takes longer. You need to advertise the new offering to non-existing customers and convince them to sign up. But the publications need to stick with it long enough for that to happen. If they start to drop out before it does, the whole thing falls apart.

Re: The Free and Open Internet

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As much as I was in awe of WaPo's tablet app (on Amazon's Fire), I despise their website on the public Internet ever since they have started the paywall flags. Neither NYT, nor WaPo are going to solve the world's publishing business model on the Internet. The author here makes a lot of good points. And someone please tell me exactly why Bezo wrote his letter on Medium and not anywhere else?

if the owner of a newspaper decides what it publishes, that newspaper is no longer considered to have "editorial freedom". This is a very important thing to journalists.

I can totally understand why it's less hassle all round for Bezos to publish in Medium, or the NYT, or any other publication than the one he owns.

Re: The Free and Open Internet

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> paywalls should federate, like the early ATMs did, so that joining one means joining them all That’s an interesting idea. I imagine it could work sort of like Spotify Premium but with a twist. Perhaps that is not what he meant but it’s what I came to think of so that’s what I want to talk about. Of course the real problem is getting all/enough/any of the paywall sites to switch. I’ll get back to this but for now le…

With Spotify and Netflix, you measure engagement by how many times a piece was listened to/viewed, and the only measure is popularity.

With advertising-based journalism, you measure engagement by clicks - which is bad because it gives us clickbait. You can argue about whether there is clickbait in music and video, but we know that clickbait in journalism is definitely a problem.

In an ideal world, there would be a simple measure of how good/relevant/interesting/informative a news or opinion article is. I don't think anyone has discovered that yet. To my mind, this is the core problem. If we can solve "how to measure objective quality in journalism", then we can apply all sorts of business models to it. All the current business models fall short not because the model is inherently flawed, but because they reward bad journalism. If how much an advert paid the publisher was linked to how good the article was, then we'd have good journalism. As it is now, we reward clickbait-y high-volume low-quality journalism, so that's what we get.

Re: The Free and Open Internet

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> Sure I could have purchased a subscription to the Washington Post, but I don’t believe opinion pieces should be behind a paywall and I certainly don’t believe that something like Dingell’s last words should be behind a paywall.

Quite cheap for a millionaire (billionaire?)! Just think about that for a second. It’s comical. Newspapers were never free. Ever. People subscribed or bought them in a vending machine or news stand.

> have ceded their role as the public square to places like Twitter and Medium that remain open and free.

They aren’t free. They both burn massive amounts of cash. Medium isn’t profitable and Twitter lost money for 12 years before stuffing it with ads to turn a profit. Oh and most importantly, Twitter doesn’t have to pay a single journalist or reporter! Hard for a VC to understand, but WaPo is actually concerned with making money.

> But the way paywalls are implemented today stinks. Some content should never ever be put behind one.

Well that’s just like your opinion, man. WaPo has been profitable under this model.

Re: The Free and Open Internet

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

add to your points this gem: >> places like Twitter and Medium that remain open and free. WHAT? Perhaps only in the most literal sense of "they don't make you pay money to read", but that's not really what people mean when they talk about open and free...

Not to mention how much of Medium is behind their paywall...

yeah was gonna say Medium literally makes you pay money to read now.

Re: The Free and Open Internet

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No. Just no. I have downloaded a truly obscene amount of material from the net for the actually tiny fees which ISPs require for access. From 100,000 college grad guides & books to 10,000 "magic" program and production systems, I'm only curious. The Internet leaks and leaks, and how can you make any money?
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