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Google warns about two iOS zero-days 'exploited in the wild'

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I hold the unpopular opinion that Google Project Zero is pretentious and unprofessional. I mean here we have the most valuable company on Earth, specifically scoping out competing software and hardware constantly looking for zero day vulnerabilities. They don't submit to the bug bounty, so if they have a disclosure that you disagree with you better agree quick because they'll just go public. How fast do you think I w…

I hold the more unpopular opinion the "Responsible" Disclosure is anything but, and everything should be fully disclosed in real time If I was running project zero I would not even give them the 30/90 days Full Disclosure is the best way

I can understand this. Both of these options are better than what it was like in the 90's though. Back then it was "inform company about a bug, and get a non-disclosure agreement forced on you or a visit from the FBI".

People forget that one of the reasons the 90's was such a hayday for hackers was that companies tried to fight hackers with court orders instead of actually fixing their stuff.

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I hold the unpopular opinion that Google Project Zero is pretentious and unprofessional. I mean here we have the most valuable company on Earth, specifically scoping out competing software and hardware constantly looking for zero day vulnerabilities. They don't submit to the bug bounty, so if they have a disclosure that you disagree with you better agree quick because they'll just go public. How fast do you think I w…

I will put aside Project Zero for a second -- in this particular case they're saying that they discovered that someone else has exploited the vulnerabilities. Perhaps that means that they weren't necessarily looking for them with analysis or fuzzing but a honeypot trapped a case where an attacker was successful. Can't we all agree that this discovery is to everyone's benefit? Google, Apple customers, Apple?

With respects to the merits of Project Zero:

> How fast do you think I would get sued ...

I don't think you would but even if you would -- your argument really seems to underscore the value of Project Zero. Google can publicize these bugs and have the resources to stand up to lawsuits from irresponsible vendors.

I'm not silly enough to think that Google doesn't exploit competitive advantages but in this case I think they are trying to catch up with the public perception of Apple's superiority wrt secure product design. Objectively we can see that's the case with many of the design elements of iOS vs Android. And it's not by putting down Apple that they do this, instead it's by demonstrating that they are leaders in security, not followers.

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So far the two parent comments are quite negative, which surprises me. I understand the anti-Google sentiment, but Project Zero has been a much needed booster to the security of the public and it has born fruit. The fact that an iOS vulnerability is actively being exploited is notable. I think their method of responsible disclosure is reasonable.

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They're using iPhones themselves inside of the company, trusting the devices as part of their Beyond Corp security mechanism, so they have an interest in the software trusted to their company network being as secure as possible.

And we don't? I want my phone to be as secure as possible because I use it for work, but of course, since it's not brand new I can't get updates.

That's a symptom of cybersecurity.

If a law made a security bug a refundable or warrantied defect, I bet you this shit would stop.

But noone gives a shit.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're using iPhones themselves inside of the company, trusting the devices as part of their Beyond Corp security mechanism, so they have an interest in the software trusted to their company network being as secure as possible.

And we don't? I want my phone to be as secure as possible because I use it for work, but of course, since it's not brand new I can't get updates.

This update is available to iPhones from the 5S and newer. The 5S was released in 2013. If your phone is older than that, it's a bit older than "not brand new".

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I hold the unpopular opinion that Google Project Zero is pretentious and unprofessional. I mean here we have the most valuable company on Earth, specifically scoping out competing software and hardware constantly looking for zero day vulnerabilities. They don't submit to the bug bounty, so if they have a disclosure that you disagree with you better agree quick because they'll just go public. How fast do you think I w…

I think believing Google is pretentious and unprofessional is one thing. But the other stuff you said doesn't make any sense.

Why shouldn't they go public? Not everyone can spend their time reading patch notes. If a new patch comes out that fixes a security flaw, most people say "update later". But if you say "no really, criminals are using this attack RIGHT NOW", that can help a lot of people keep their devices safe.

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I hold the unpopular opinion that Google Project Zero is pretentious and unprofessional. I mean here we have the most valuable company on Earth, specifically scoping out competing software and hardware constantly looking for zero day vulnerabilities. They don't submit to the bug bounty, so if they have a disclosure that you disagree with you better agree quick because they'll just go public. How fast do you think I w…

I would agree on some of them being pretentious, specially with their tease about undisclosed vulns on twitter. But not all their members engage in this.

I disagree on everything else you say. Google P0 has definitely pushed companies like Microsoft and Apple to be better and this benefits all of us. Their 90 day policy pushes vendors to make overall improvements in their build, ship and update processes, helping us get faster updates for critical vulns. They forced the leadership at these companies to put security very high on the list.

I am also pretty sure that Google is held pretty tightly to their own 90 day disclosure policy. Google runs a full fledged bug bounty program and external researchers do find critical bugs in Chrome, Android etc. and don't get sued by Google.

With hundreds of critical bugs in major software (and hardware) their contribution to security is nothing less than stellar.

Re: Google warns about two iOS zero-days 'exploited in the wild'

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To avoid the auto-playing video with loud volume, here's the entire content of the article:

https://twitter.com/benhawkes/status/1093581737924259840

"CVE-2019-7286 and CVE-2019-7287 in the iOS advisory today (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209520 ) were exploited in the wild as 0day."

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A Google top security engineer has revealed today that hackers have been launching attacks against iPhone users using two iOS vulnerabilities. The attacks have happened before Apple had a chance to release iOS 12.1.4 today --meaning the two vulnerabilities are what security experts call "zero-days."

The revelation came in a tweet from Ben Hawkes, team leader at Project Zero --Google's elite security team. Hawkes did not reveal under what circumstances the two zero-days have been used.

At the time of writing, it is unclear if the zero-days have been used for mundane cyber-crime operations or in more targeted cyber-espionage campaigns.

The two zero-days have the CVE identifiers of CVE-2019-7286 and CVE-2019-7287.

According to the Apple iOS 12.1.4 security changelog, CVE-2019-7286 impacts the iOS Foundation framework --one of the core components of the iOS operating system.

An attacker can exploit a memory corruption in the iOS Foundation component via a malicious app to gain elevated privileges.

The second zero-day, CVE-2019-72867, impacts I/O Kit, another iOS core framework that handles I/O data streams between the hardware and the software.

An attacker can exploit another memory corruption in this framework via a malicious app to execute arbitrary code with kernel privileges.

Apple credited "an anonymous researcher, Clement Lecigne of Google Threat Analysis Group, Ian Beer of Google Project Zero, and Samuel Groß of Google Project Zero" for discovering both vulnerabilities.

Neither an Apple or Google spokesperson responded to requests for comment from ZDNet before this article's publication. It is highly unlikely that the two companies will comment on the issue at this time, as both would like to keep the zero-day specifics to a minimum and prevent other threat actors from gaining insight into how the zero-days work.

iPhone users are advised to update their devices to iOS 12.1.4 as soon as possible. This release also fixes the infamous FaceTime bug that allowed users to eavesdrop on others using group FaceTime calls.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hold the more unpopular opinion the "Responsible" Disclosure is anything but, and everything should be fully disclosed in real time If I was running project zero I would not even give them the 30/90 days Full Disclosure is the best way

I can understand this. Both of these options are better than what it was like in the 90's though. Back then it was "inform company about a bug, and get a non-disclosure agreement forced on you or a visit from the FBI". People forget that one of the reasons the 90's was such a hayday for hackers was that companies tried to fight hackers with court orders instead of actually fixing their stuff.

That's exactly right. I'm firmly of the opinion that "we'll give you 90 days to fix it before announcing" is responsible disclosure, as it motivates people to actually fix their stuff as opposed to filing the report away in the circular Jira.

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Side question: whatever happened to Chrome blocking autoplay videos like this horrible and incredibly loud one?

It's supposed to have been in place for a year or so... but it's clearly not working. If this particular one isn't blocked, then what ones are?

I'm on up-to-date Chrome 72...

[1] https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2017/09/autoplay-p...

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