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Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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The precedent has already been set (e.g. Infowars) that hosting an app on your platform is an endorsement of the content and the publisher of the app.

Agreed. Plausible deniability is maintained but the facts are the same. We, as a society, need to move away from the silly idea that companies should be moral judicators.

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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I can’t believe that Lyft doesn’t cover the Bay Area with billboards that say “Saudi Arabia beats women and owns 10% of Uber.” “Saudi Arabia murders gay people and owns 10% of Uber.” “Saudi Arabia crucified two people last year and owns 10% of Uber.”

This is a great idea. But outside of this would anyone be interested in meeting up at tech companies and protesting?

For what? So Apple removes the app from the store. Does that materially impact Saudi Arabi's institutional oppression of women?

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holy shit, I can't believe this is happening in the 21st century.

Have you just not been paying attention or something?

I am aware of the repression of women in SA but I didn't realize they weren't even allowed to leave the country. The addition of real time tracking technology just makes it that much more horrifying. Imagine being a woman trying to escape domestic abuse and being returned to your abuser when you try to flee.

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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I can’t believe that Lyft doesn’t cover the Bay Area with billboards that say “Saudi Arabia beats women and owns 10% of Uber.” “Saudi Arabia murders gay people and owns 10% of Uber.” “Saudi Arabia crucified two people last year and owns 10% of Uber.”

Awesome.

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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thatoneyouthrow got flagged for commenting on the hypocrisy of the tech Elite for their support of a government in Saudi Arabia that kills journalists and oppresses females with no apologies - that funds radical Islam throughout the world - in the comments of an article discussing Apple and Google distributing government oppression apps on their stores. It is odd. The keep from being too meta, I pose this question (s…

thatoneyouthrow got flagged for his personal attacks on people.

The quote "None of these men care about women or LGBT unless it's legally enforced." is clearly untrue, and simply doesn't address what is a multi-faceted issue.

It's worth noting that if citizens of the US are concerned about this, then the citizens have the power - via government - to fix this by imposing trade sanctions.

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a great idea. But outside of this would anyone be interested in meeting up at tech companies and protesting?

For what? So Apple removes the app from the store. Does that materially impact Saudi Arabi's institutional oppression of women?

If CEO's don't care about women in Saudi Arabia do you think they care about women in the USA? We have to start somewhere.

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you just not been paying attention or something?

I am aware of the repression of women in SA but I didn't realize they weren't even allowed to leave the country. The addition of real time tracking technology just makes it that much more horrifying. Imagine being a woman trying to escape domestic abuse and being returned to your abuser when you try to flee.

I was referring more to your faux astonishment that it is going on.

Did you know that genital mutilation is still common in parts of the world?

There's global slave traffic.

Etc., etc., etc.

Of course we are doing a lot better than history if you look at things in a statistical sense, but it takes a pretty insular world view to act astonished that there's shitty stuff going on.

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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What happens if a woman goes to passport control without the app? Is she allowed to pass through?

It’s basically up to the person running passport control that day but first of all they also need their other travel documents like their passport if they are flying internationally. They are often not allowed access to them (Not denied access in any legal sense, but their families will “look after” the documents making it hard to gain access to such documents). But if it’s the case of a foreign national returning ho…

Actually, foreign nationals on work visas can't exit even with a valid passport if they don't have an exit permit:

https://www.justlanded.com/english/Saudi-Arabia/Articles/Vis...

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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post #35

thatoneyouthrow got flagged for commenting on the hypocrisy of the tech Elite for their support of a government in Saudi Arabia that kills journalists and oppresses females with no apologies - that funds radical Islam throughout the world - in the comments of an article discussing Apple and Google distributing government oppression apps on their stores. It is odd. The keep from being too meta, I pose this question (s…

thatoneyouthrow got flagged for his personal attacks on people. The quote "None of these men care about women or LGBT unless it's legally enforced." is clearly untrue, and simply doesn't address what is a multi-faceted issue. It's worth noting that if citizens of the US are concerned about this, then the citizens have the power - via government - to fix this by imposing trade sanctions.

I posit that there are two issues here: profit and rights for women. Now it seems to me that the real issue is profits over the rights of women. But please educate me on how this is a "multi-faceted" issue if I have left something out.

Maybe Apple and Google are entitled to make money from Saudi Arabia's oppression of women? Once again, please make your case.

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