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Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

#11
"Apple and Google accused of hosting Saudi gov't app that tracks women " is a weird phrasing. It's absolutely, 100% verifiably true they host it, as the article plainly states:

>Both Google Play and iTunes host Absher, a government web service that allows men to specify when and how women can cross Saudi borders, and to get close to real-time SMS updates when they travel.

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hosting an app on your platform is an endorsement of the content and the publisher of the app What's the context behind this claim?

There isn't any. Infowars and company were banned from various content platforms for violating platform policies. i.e. There's flat earth content on Youtube, that doesn't mean Youtube endorses flat earth conspiracies.

The violated policies were in regards to hate speech and bullying, no?

How is this not a far worse case of hateful bullying?

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hosting an app on your platform is an endorsement of the content and the publisher of the app What's the context behind this claim?

There isn't any. Infowars and company were banned from various content platforms for violating platform policies. i.e. There's flat earth content on Youtube, that doesn't mean Youtube endorses flat earth conspiracies.

Not sure how you see a connection between flat-earthers and the Saudis' treatment of women? It's fine for people to believe the world is flat - it doesn't hurt anyone.

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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What happens if a woman goes to passport control without the app? Is she allowed to pass through?

It’s basically up to the person running passport control that day but first of all they also need their other travel documents like their passport if they are flying internationally.

They are often not allowed access to them (Not denied access in any legal sense, but their families will “look after” the documents making it hard to gain access to such documents). But if it’s the case of a foreign national returning home their home country can provide emergency travel documentation and help see the person thought passport control.

But if they are not a foreign national, they have little options. They will often (but not always) try and contact the legal guardian of the woman (if they are not already present, but as you said without the app. I presume they are also travelling without their “legal guardian”) and return the women to their family if they are instructed to do so by them.

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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post #13
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn't any. Infowars and company were banned from various content platforms for violating platform policies. i.e. There's flat earth content on Youtube, that doesn't mean Youtube endorses flat earth conspiracies.

Not sure how you see a connection between flat-earthers and the Saudis' treatment of women? It's fine for people to believe the world is flat - it doesn't hurt anyone.

This is in the context of using terminology that G/A lawyers and app approval personnel use, where no humanity is considered and everything strictly objective, eg "if , then application version denied".

I'm sure Apple will take a stance now that their PR team has to deal with this, but without any eyes on an app, the app can throw moral values to the curb and will only be obligated to follow the approval guidelines.

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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Its alarming how these increasingly powerful and consolidated silicon valley groups preach progressive morality but practice regressive totalitarianism.

It's telling how comments like this are downvoted. But then again YCombinator has an interest in keeping Saudi Arabia happy.

Re: Apple, Google criticised for Saudi Absher app that tracks women

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post #8

What happens if a woman goes to passport control without the app? Is she allowed to pass through?

It’s basically up to the person running passport control that day but first of all they also need their other travel documents like their passport if they are flying internationally. They are often not allowed access to them (Not denied access in any legal sense, but their families will “look after” the documents making it hard to gain access to such documents). But if it’s the case of a foreign national returning ho…

Holy shit, I can't believe this is happening in the 21st century.
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