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Re: Google Docs gets an API for task automation

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A logical feature, which I may even use. However -

Business-oriented releases like this need to come with a guarantee of existence for X years (some reasonable number) if Google expects anyone to use this for business purposes -- especially any paid/G-suite version (or whatever their premium version is called this week). Even then, it'd be a tough sell, as simply not shutting off the servers doesn't mean they'll actually actively update and support it.

Google, an advertising company, is competing against Microsoft, a software company with its roots in this exact type of software and thousand of companies with piles of MS-specific macros and scripts and processes they've been working with since the 90s.

Half-assing it is not going to work, even if they have a free tier available.

I use Google Drive regularly for personal documents, and even for my one-person business, but I wouldn't dream of entrenching myself in it in such a way that operations could be disrupted if they decide to switch the servers off next week with two days warning.

Search isn't going away. Maps isn't going away. But everything else Google is subject to a shut off at any second. Gmail isn't going away either, but your specific account could, with no recourse or appeal or access to your data.

The question we should all be asking at the release of ANY new Google feature shouldn't be "does Google have the engineering talent to make this good?". Of course they do. If Google wanted to start making space rockets tomorrow they could. The right question is "does Google have incentive in the form of advertising revenue to keep working on this?"

I predict this is another feature that has already been abandoned as of this writing, with no further updates to come.

Re: Google Docs gets an API for task automation

#113

A logical feature, which I may even use. However - Business-oriented releases like this need to come with a guarantee of existence for X years (some reasonable number) if Google expects anyone to use this for business purposes -- especially any paid/G-suite version (or whatever their premium version is called this week). Even then, it'd be a tough sell, as simply not shutting off the servers doesn't mean they'll actu…

Such a cynical comment. G Suite is a premium product for business and enterprise. It isn't going anywhere.

Re: Google Docs gets an API for task automation

#114

Hmm in this demo the interface looks exactly like Zapier (automation service).. wonder what relationship they have: https://zapier.com

The demo is the Zapier interface. From the article: > Some of the companies that built solutions based on the new API during the preview period include Zapier, Netflix, Mailchimp and Final Draft.

The demo shows manually typing static data into the fields, instead of pulling the data dynamically from the input event like you typically would.

disclaimer, I work at Zapier

Re: Google Docs gets an API for task automation

#115

They will have a lot of catchup to do to get where Office is now. I'm frankly amazed by how good Microsoft Flow has been. So many dumb business processes rely on an Excel doc somewhere, or a stupid manual email somewhere else. But with Flow I've seen just a single smarty-pants able to fully streamline an entire department one rule at a time. They don't need to get permission to bring in a new logo - it's part of Offi…

Microsoft Flow is a really powerful - in terms of advanced capabilities it offers. If you're bought into the Office 365 ecosystem - the add-ins to Teams, Excel and SharePoint are really nifty. You can even run a "flow" over row data in Excel. I personally use this to file and track bugs - saves so much time for me.

It also has capabilities that allows you to connect to any REST API - look up Custom Connectors.

Finally, if you don't have Office 365, you can sign up for a free account using your personal Outlook / Microsoft account to test the waters.

Disclaimer: I work on Microsoft Flow and am very excited to see it here on YC.

Re: Google Docs gets an API for task automation

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post #47

They will have a lot of catchup to do to get where Office is now. I'm frankly amazed by how good Microsoft Flow has been. So many dumb business processes rely on an Excel doc somewhere, or a stupid manual email somewhere else. But with Flow I've seen just a single smarty-pants able to fully streamline an entire department one rule at a time. They don't need to get permission to bring in a new logo - it's part of Offi…

Hahahaha. I stumbled upon Flow last year when I switched jobs. Our IT/procurement process is ridiculous, so I scrounged around our intranet resources for licenses and tools that I had access to by default or could get/request access to without triggering the Eye of Sauron to gaze down upon me from the tower of IT Security. My team does analytics consulting work for large multi-agency marketing campaigns, and I used F…

/me is one of the minions from team "Eye of Sauron". However I'm not stuck in this tower.

I'm torn between two worlds. One side applauds the grass roots based solutions and the JFDI attitude. The other side is concerned that these solutions becomes widely used, de facto production, and problems upstream ends up breaking the output. On error, hopefully fails loudly but subtle problems could creep in. If the reports are consumed by other automation, the problem spreads rapidly.

Ideally the IT department would take a step back, assess what the users (you the stakeholder) needs are, and provide the solutions. Better Agile.

Using the successes to drive more development and operations budget is the way to go.

Re: Google Docs gets an API for task automation

#118

It seems all of this was possible before the new API. Google Docs already had an HTML import/export API, which allowed you to download a document, make changes, and save those changes back again. That would allow you to implement any kind of templating you like. This API just makes it slightly easier and more visible.

I've used the HTML conversion a lot. It's absolutely infuriating.

Tiny differences in html being sent seem to result in headers working or not, tables rendering differently and more.

> Google Docs already had an HTML import/export API, which allowed you to download a document, make changes, and save those changes back again.

I found that importing an export didn't result in the same looking document.

Re: Google Docs gets an API for task automation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That one should be #1 on that list of 'assumptions programmers make', with #2 being that a byte is 8 bits.

Those don't seem equivalent. One affects a billion or so people. The other will only cause trouble in rare cases, no?

The assumption that 'a byte is eight bits' is less specific than 'a character is one byte is eight bits' but I think captures it pretty well and affects at least all the people who are affected by RTL writing, I would think.

If anything, the one character -> eight bits problem was so large huge amounts of work has been put into developing and using libraries that abstract the representation of text away from byte streams.

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