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> Note, the source here might be a biased here That’s putting it mildly: I’m entirely aware that there’s a concerted campaign in the UK to smear Corbyn by fabricating a story from out-of-context quotes and, despite not being a fan of Corbyn, I’m entirely on board with the idea that he’s being unjustly targeted and probably isn’t actually antisemitic. But so far there’s no evidence that Israel is behind this effort. A…

Maybe Corbyn is just not a very good politician who wants to try a socialist experiement in right wing Britain. I sat down and did the maths based on tax revenues and so on and Corbyn's plans roughly call for £500bn of additional borrowing. I'm not saying don't do it but it's scary this isn't communicated clearly to people the costs of renationalising water/rail/university fees etc. etc. What makes you think there is…

> What makes you think there is a campaign against him or just that he simply isn't that popular

Because his policies are virtually never mentioned, he’s being attacked for made-up allegations instead. This very fact that, as you point out, his policies are not discussed in the media is why people think there’s a smear campaign against him. People wish the press would engage him on policy grounds. As for the borrowing specifically, when this policy was initially proposed by McDonnell, it was made abundantly clear that this would involve large-scale borrowing. See e.g. this article in the Economist: https://www.economist.com/buttonwoods-notebook/2017/05/16/ol...

On a more political note, whether this large-scale borrowing is a good idea is obviously worth discussing. But it would almost certainly be more popular than the Tories’ continued twin policies of privatisation and austerity, which, besides being phenomenally unpopular, is largely based on bad science, to boot.

Re: Undercover spy exposed in NYC was one of many

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You know what would start to stop all this? Getting pissed off at politicians for accepting essentially blank check amounts from AIPAC, who have been the largest lobbyist in Congress for decades. People don't want to talk about this though, because it's invariably labeled as "antisemitic".

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I'm not saying it's totally equivalent but the story told in "Confessions on an economic hitman" suggest that it's common for government agencies to use private firms in order to allow for plausible deniability, amongst other things. Now, that book has been denounced by some but large parts of it seem plausible.

I've yet to hear a credible attack on John Perkins that has stood up to scrutiny. They are almost always ad hominem attacks that don't address the meat of his positions/stories.

I enjoyed the book, and think it's a reasonable fictional description of how US colonialism works (aka debt slavery for the third world), but pretty much none of it stands up to scrutiny, and the author is definitely a teller of tall tales.

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In theory a good suggestion, but Israel specifically gets a lot of free passes, especially from current US govt, so I wouldn't expect any benefit or positive outcome from this, just troubles for OP. Now if it would be an Iranian spy for example, they would hunt him/them down with the full force.

>Israel specifically gets a lot of free passes, especially from current US govt The US has been very aggressive against Israeli espionage [0,1,2] and the president doesn't exercise much control over counter-intelligence investigations. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yosef_Amit [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben-Ami_Kadish

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Re: Undercover spy exposed in NYC was one of many

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Is "the jews" considered offensive? If someone were to say "the blacks" I would automatically suspect them of racist tendencies.

I can't edit the original comment because it triggered the flame war filters, but I'm curious why this is such a controversial question and garnered so many downvotes. I sincerely wanted to know what popular the consensus is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

ctrl+f "the Jews". I wouldn't make your opinion of what is "offensive" depend on an ad-hoc poll in times where even the most rudimentary looking into things for oneself seems to be getting rare. (or where people think clicking a button constitutes an argument, for that matter)

In this case, the comment also said "the Palestinians", and if you hear someone say "the blacks", as well as "the whites", yet you only retain the one and discard the other, that says more about the absurd climate than that person.

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What if it's an Iranian spy who managed to convince the person he was an Israeli spy?

Israel uses the tactic of antisemitism quite often, even when you clearly criticize a government policy of Israel, not the people. So this is nothing out of the ordinary for them and I see no reason to blame Iran for everything Israel does that's unethical. In fact that's their tactic as well.

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Do you really believe the Mossad is going to assassinate (or otherwise seriously mess with) someone in the United States for reporting a funky, antisemitic conversation?

Obviously, no one said anything about "assassination" by Mossad. Your attempted use of reductio ad absurdum was in bad faith. One would likely be more concerned with being accused of "anti-semitism" and having your name google-bombed by a Zionist smear campaign like Canary Mission. [0] Imagine having a potential client or employer finding your name on a list of "anti-semite Israel haters" for doing nothing more that…

Did you just seriously threaten to dox another HN member?

I've flagged your comment.

If the canary mission succeeds then we can just point to your thread as case in point in illustrating just what sort of culture we are dealing with.

It's ironic that we have to censor ourselves out of fear. In fact, it's a spitting image of the Third Reich.

I guess the old Confucian saying is true: "You do onto others what they have done to you"

History has not been kind to Jews, especially in the last 100 years, and now the western world reaps what they sowed

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Obviously, no one said anything about "assassination" by Mossad. Your attempted use of reductio ad absurdum was in bad faith. One would likely be more concerned with being accused of "anti-semitism" and having your name google-bombed by a Zionist smear campaign like Canary Mission. [0] Imagine having a potential client or employer finding your name on a list of "anti-semite Israel haters" for doing nothing more that…

Did you just seriously threaten to dox another HN member? I've flagged your comment. If the canary mission succeeds then we can just point to your thread as case in point in illustrating just what sort of culture we are dealing with. It's ironic that we have to censor ourselves out of fear. In fact, it's a spitting image of the Third Reich. I guess the old Confucian saying is true: "You do onto others what they have…

Comments like yours here and the attitude you bring to the discussion only make his point that much stronger.

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Do you really believe the Mossad is going to assassinate (or otherwise seriously mess with) someone in the United States for reporting a funky, antisemitic conversation?

Obviously, no one said anything about "assassination" by Mossad. Your attempted use of reductio ad absurdum was in bad faith. One would likely be more concerned with being accused of "anti-semitism" and having your name google-bombed by a Zionist smear campaign like Canary Mission. [0] Imagine having a potential client or employer finding your name on a list of "anti-semite Israel haters" for doing nothing more that…

Can you give an example of someone who is on that list for nothing more than suggesting Palestinians have humans rights, or that Israel engages in espionage in the United States? I clicked on a few people at random and they were all there because they advocated killing jews.

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What if it's an Iranian spy who managed to convince the person he was an Israeli spy?

Israel uses the tactic of antisemitism quite often, even when you clearly criticize a government policy of Israel, not the people. So this is nothing out of the ordinary for them and I see no reason to blame Iran for everything Israel does that's unethical. In fact that's their tactic as well.

> Israel uses the tactic of antisemitism quite often, even when you clearly criticize a government policy of Israel, not the people.

China has been doing this too. Any time someone brings up Chinese civil rights abuses, there's always one or two people crying racism, even though the victims are (mostly) also Chinese.

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