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Apple's iPhone Shipments Plunge in China as Huawei Tightens Grip

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

ninedays wrote: post #34
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do the 3 cameras do?

It doesn't really matter as long as it creates a sense of uniqueness for the consumer. Remember all these octo-cores smartphones that were supposed to perform way better than the two-cores smartphones? It's only there to tell you "3 cameras are better than 2" even though no one understands what it does. Same with cores : "wow 8 cores? 8 is such a big number compared to 2 cores therefore it must be way better/faster"

May or may not be the case.

> “When I first heard that Huawei’s new flagship device was going to have three rear-facing cameras I was sceptical,” said Ben Wood, chief of research at CCS Insight. “But it feels like the company has added meaningful features rather than gimmicks, including the five-times telephoto zoom, excellent low light, long exposure performance and crisp black and white pictures the dedicated monochrome lens offers.”

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/27/huawei-p2...

> Huawei’s traditional setup of combining the data from a monochrome and a color sensor is still in place, but this time, the color sensor weighs in at a whopping 40 megapixels. You’ll have the option to use that entire resolution to take photos, though the default setting will be to combine the data from four adjacent pixels into one and thus generate clearer, brighter 10-megapixel shots. One of these quad-pixel pixels inside the P20 Pro measures in at 2µm, which is huge for a smartphone sensor. Google’s Pixel 2, for comparison, has 1.4µm pixels, while the regular P20, which has a 12-megapixel main sensor, comes with 1.55µm pixels.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/27/17165822/huawei-p20-pro-s...

Re: Apple's iPhone Shipments Plunge in China as Huawei Tightens Grip

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Post by vetinari »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #30
entity345 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you picking on this and ignoring my original comment? Simpler to repeat the same thing again and again without thinking, isn't it? I thought mature discussions was what HN was about. I'm sorry to see that bigotry is rife.

Bringing up a fact of 50-80 million lives lost is not “picking on” something.

The number of 50-80 million comes from the book "Black Book of Communism", which in itself is highly controversial and whose co-authors disassociated themselves from the author due to the methodology used.

So take these numbers with grain of salt and consider the book and its claim just a propaganda tool.

Re: Apple's iPhone Shipments Plunge in China as Huawei Tightens Grip

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Post by azurezyq »

Aloha wrote: post #39
entity345 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's simplistic. People forget, or simply don't know, that Chinese are extremely patriotic and that they remember how "the foreign powers" treated them in the past. Considering what's happening between the US and China, and about Huawei, we can't discard the possibility that Chinese consumers reacted by supporting their country.

When did these foreign powers mistreat China? The 19th century? Most nationals cultural memories are not that long - specifically one that has been thru three major revolutions in a century. Whatever the cause of lower iPhone sales, I'm skeptical it's what you claim - sunspots seem more likely to me.

It's 20th century and we will never forget.

I agree that some leaders were stupid but we generally agree they are our own business. I'm not surprised that Xi may one day be overthrown. but with some new government, we are still patriotic. Basically it's because our thousands of years of history doesn't allow us from being discriminated by anyone, IMO.

For iPhones, I'd say they're just not sexy. The design and color are boring. Super expensive for the hardware you get. Also Apple's ecosystem doesn't really matter in China. WeChat and a few apps make iPhones and Android roughly same experience.

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Post by Haga »

baybal2 wrote: post #32
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do the 3 cameras do?

Supposedly better than 2 cameras, but not as good as 5 or 7 cameras. Still, you can proudly tell people "my phone has more cameras than yours" :)

My phone finds others nearby photographing and recombines those willing into one giant parallax camera.. Beat that

Re: Apple's iPhone Shipments Plunge in China as Huawei Tightens Grip

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Post by Panoramix »

eastendguy wrote: post #5

Next headlines: 2020: European Car Shipments Plunge in China as XXX(#) Tightens Grip 2025: Tesla Car Shipments Plunge in China as YYY(#) Tightens Grip (#) Any local company currently in favor with the ruling party.

In my opinion Huawei has better products than Apple so this is not surprising.

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Post by philliphaydon »

baybal2 wrote: post #15
nakodari wrote: post #11

iPhones have become just too expensive for people in Asia to buy. It's simple as that. If they bring down the price to $599 like it was for the original iPhone and keep the price constant every year, Apple will double or even triple their existing market share. It will still be profitable for Apple knowing that service revenue will increase when more people are using iPhones around the world.

No, the simple explanation for their sales tanking is simply because they got their market saturated. Plainly and simple. Huawei on other hand has rather different marketing plan - they make somewhat expensive products for ordinary people, even thought some of their phones can cost more than $1000 USD in maxed out configuration (leather and hand made editions) Apple on another hand has really little appeal to this de…

No. The price of iPhones in Asia is FAR to expensive now. A lot of people in Asia are jumping ship because they can get the same features for less with other brands. Even with a contract in Singapore it would cost me $1000 to get the latest iphone. That’s insane.

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Post by hevi_jos »

It is obvious. China debt bubble is bursting right now so they are sensible with prices and Apple just have raised them absurdly.

China will experience a traumatic experience(growing pains) for getting to a service economy like the rest of the world had.

If Apple continue raising prices they will lose the mass production advantage they have. Steve Jobs always created products that were affordable(like the iPod, or the inexpensive macbook) so it gave the expensive ones mass production components(like accelerometers, cameras, special glass, wifi chips, touch screens).

It seems Tim Cook had the brilliant idea of eliminating low cost products in order to raise margins(that are obscene high right now at Apple), but people are not stupid and alternatives exist.

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Post by adventured »

ancorevard wrote: post #17

China's economy is looking scary at this point. Also from Bloomberg: Chinese consumer tax receipts down 70% in November. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-12-31/china-...

The corporate bond defaults [1] are also interesting as a tell on their real situation. I'll be curious to see if the central government relents and unleashes a far larger stimulus as it appears there isn't going to be a trade deal near-term.

Granted, you've also got Germany in a de facto recession and the UK inching toward one [2]. If the US can maintain a 2.5%+ GDP growth pace for 2019 against all of that, it'll be surprising. Projections on S&P 500 Q1 earnings have turned from 6-7% growth to an expected contraction. The market will weaken further with earnings growth disappearing, which is guaranteed to force the Fed to pause rate hikes and then cut.

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-11/two-large...

[2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-11/u-k-econo...

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Post by baybal2 »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #41
ninedays wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't really matter as long as it creates a sense of uniqueness for the consumer. Remember all these octo-cores smartphones that were supposed to perform way better than the two-cores smartphones? It's only there to tell you "3 cameras are better than 2" even though no one understands what it does. Same with cores : "wow 8 cores? 8 is such a big number compared to 2 cores therefore it must be way better/faster"

May or may not be the case. > “When I first heard that Huawei’s new flagship device was going to have three rear-facing cameras I was sceptical,” said Ben Wood, chief of research at CCS Insight. “But it feels like the company has added meaningful features rather than gimmicks, including the five-times telephoto zoom, excellent low light, long exposure performance and crisp black and white pictures the dedicated monoc…

I have Maimang 5 - a budget phone from almost 4 years ago. Despite it budgetness, it still came with the best camera chip on the market at the time, and with far from budget parts, aside from SoC. And it was never advertised on those points.
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