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Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by CyberDildonics »

throwaway415415 wrote: post #66
brianwawok wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can "prove" this by looking at the glycemic index. Glycemic index is not a napkin math thing, its done by making people eat or drink something and watching what their blood sugar does. A raw orange is 31-40. Orange juice is 46-54. Coca-cola is 63. I think juice may be a _LITTLE_ better than soda. I still choose to drink neither, and think I am better off for it.

It's stupid honestly, fruit juice are healthy in normal quantity. Like everything don't abuse it.

Just like alchohol, but that's not how people think of the juice they buy at the grocery store.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

jvagner wrote: post #41
jartelt wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly - If you eat an apple, you get a modest amount of sugar with some fiber to go with it. The fiber helps slow down the absorption of the sugar and lessens the insulin response. If you drink a big glass of apple juice, you get the sugar load of eating multiple apples and get none of the fiber. It's basically like drinking soda.

How many apples does a persona typically eat in one sitting? How many apples' worth of sugar is in a 8/12/20 ounce serving of juice?

The usual claim on premium juice is 2 kg orange per 1 l (=1 kg) juice.

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Post by subpixel »

cubano wrote: post #29

Being a east central Florida native, I grew up picking Valencia's off neighborhood trees, before the terrible canker in the 90's forced the state agriculture office to basically bulldoze and burn every non-commercial orange tree in the state. IMO, the real treat is fresh squeezed grapefruit juice, not orange. Fresh grapefruit juice tastes nothing whatsoever like the stuff they sell in markets, and has a sublime flavo…

I agree about grapefruit but I think the best way to eat is is halved with a bit of honey on top. This way I get all the fiber, more of the vitamins, and still get a healthy dose of delectable juice as a reward.

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Post by NoblePublius »

The real story here is not that Tropicana is chemically adulterated fruit-derived sugar water produced and stored at industrial scale. The real story is that the USDA lets PepsiCo call this product “juice” even though it’s nutritionally indistinguishable from Coca Cola.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by pvaldes »

theNJR wrote: post #68
evo_9 wrote: post #43

It's interesting the degree to which people will defend their fruit juice drinking in this thread. I wonder if it's a mild form of addiction. I used to drink a lot of OJ when I was still under the illusion it was healthy to do so. Simply stopping that I lost about 15 pounds without changing anything else. It was tough at first, I really craved it and it was a daily habit. It's turned out to be the biggest health impr…

It’s crazy the number of really smart people who are steadfast in their belief that fruit is good. It’s non-stop propangda starting at birth, direct from the mothers mouth. I wonder where this meme started and why? I cant imagine ‘big fruit’ is that big or sinister.

> It’s crazy the number of really smart people who are steadfast in their belief that fruit is good

Is probably because we, humans, had seen before what scurvy can do to the body when you stop eating oranges, fruits and vegetables for just one or two months.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by pvaldes »

novia wrote: post #61
cubano wrote: post #29

Being a east central Florida native, I grew up picking Valencia's off neighborhood trees, before the terrible canker in the 90's forced the state agriculture office to basically bulldoze and burn every non-commercial orange tree in the state. IMO, the real treat is fresh squeezed grapefruit juice, not orange. Fresh grapefruit juice tastes nothing whatsoever like the stuff they sell in markets, and has a sublime flavo…

>before the terrible canker in the 90's forced the state agriculture office to basically bulldoze and burn every non-commercial orange tree in the state. Could you elaborate more on this, or link me to a place where I can read more about it?

Xanthomonas axonopodis, a bacteria that defoliate orange trees.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by gok »

NoblePublius wrote: post #74

The real story here is not that Tropicana is chemically adulterated fruit-derived sugar water produced and stored at industrial scale. The real story is that the USDA lets PepsiCo call this product “juice” even though it’s nutritionally indistinguishable from Coca Cola.

That is true of basically any definition of juice.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by retsibsi »

jvagner wrote: post #41
jartelt wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly - If you eat an apple, you get a modest amount of sugar with some fiber to go with it. The fiber helps slow down the absorption of the sugar and lessens the insulin response. If you drink a big glass of apple juice, you get the sugar load of eating multiple apples and get none of the fiber. It's basically like drinking soda.

How many apples does a persona typically eat in one sitting? How many apples' worth of sugar is in a 8/12/20 ounce serving of juice?

These read like rhetorical questions, but for anyone else who didn't know the answer to the second one:

- apple juice has ~10g of sugar per 100ml; that's ~35g per 12 US fluid ounces.

- Google tells me that apples (variety is unspecified) have 10g of sugar per 100g. 100g is a plausible weight for a single apple, so that's ~10g per apple.

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by toss1 »

evo_9 wrote: post #43

It's interesting the degree to which people will defend their fruit juice drinking in this thread. I wonder if it's a mild form of addiction. I used to drink a lot of OJ when I was still under the illusion it was healthy to do so. Simply stopping that I lost about 15 pounds without changing anything else. It was tough at first, I really craved it and it was a daily habit. It's turned out to be the biggest health impr…

Not surprising. I gave up a number of bevreges that I enjoyed after reading of a very interesting study.

They were testing the effects of calories as liquid or solid. The subjects could eat whatever they wanted in the study, the calories of which were carefully recorded. Then they added 1750 calories/day of either liquid as soda or juice, or solid, as jellybeans. They then measured how much the subjects adjusted their other calorie intake (the groups all rotated through solid, liquid, control).

When each group was on added solids reduced their intake of other foods by an average 1500 calories/day, negating all but 250 kcal/day of the extra intake (still a non-trivial addition, but...).

When each group was on liquids, their change in intake of other foods was negligible -- essentially all 1750 extra calories per day was added to their 'bottom line'.

The milkshakes & juices are missed a bit at the beginning, but it's definitely much easier to maintain weight than it used to be, and I've seen friends get even more spectacular results by merely cutting caloric beverages (one who used to have a case of Gatorade in his truck all the time lost so much so fast his wife thought something must be wrong and made him go to the doctor to get checked).

I thought it was quite interesting, and hope some others do too...

Re: Freshly Squeezed: The Truth About Orange Juice in Boxes

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Post by the8472 »

hnnh44 wrote: post #53
evo_9 wrote: post #43

It's interesting the degree to which people will defend their fruit juice drinking in this thread. I wonder if it's a mild form of addiction. I used to drink a lot of OJ when I was still under the illusion it was healthy to do so. Simply stopping that I lost about 15 pounds without changing anything else. It was tough at first, I really craved it and it was a daily habit. It's turned out to be the biggest health impr…

Sugar is absolutely addictive. And juice is just sugar. Whole fruits are healthy because of the fibers and nutrients in the pulp+skin. The fiber slows absorption and helps with insulin spikes. Even "fresh juicing", which is crazy popular, isn't the same as just eating the fruit.

> Whole fruits are healthy because of the fibers and nutrients in the pulp+skin.

In that case, shouldn't we distinguish between juice stripped of those vs. unfiltered juice?

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