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A Follow-Up to "The Web is Public Domain"

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Re: A Follow-Up to "The Web is Public Domain"

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Post by fjarlq »

grellas wrote: post #57
aasarava wrote: post #15

The editor's response reveals a lot about her understanding (or lack thereof) of the business she's in. Normally I'm willing to overlook small typos in blog posts -- but when you are an editor, and you are writing an important response on an important issue, it's not wise to get the punctuation wrong on the very first word . (It should be "it's sad", not "its sad".) That she continues not to use apostrophes throughou…

I couldn't agree more that this editor's fate is deserved and that this is an "apology" only in the traditional meaning of that word (an attempted defense and not a mea culpa ), and a poor one at that. I also have been critical of her unbelievably tone-deaf approach to the subject of handling the complaint of an innocent person whom she had wronged (see http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1870300 ). Yet, at some leve…

Good point, I agree.

It reminds me of fixed mindset people, which Ron Burk describes in this 5-minute Ignite presentation, The Psychology of Incompetence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_vcy7I0zIM

* Over-estimate their own abilities

* Hide, minimize, and blame away failures

* Solutions shouldn't require hard work (effort is for less talented folks)

* Avoid seeking help/training

* Are easily frustrated by setbacks

Re: A Follow-Up to "The Web is Public Domain"

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Post by jimmyjim »

cs_1 wrote: post #53
studer wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Because the writer in question had a copyright on her website where the article can be found, the content of the website is under copyright law." Ouch. Surely there must be a better source than some junk written by a clueless "digital journalist" with the sole purpose of flooding search engines?

Wade through at your leisure. http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=196994196748&topic... Same primary source regardless of what outlet covers it. NPR: http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2010/11/05/131091599/the-... Economist: "A host of Facebook and other denizens have traced over 100 other articles that have appeared in the magazine to The Food Network, NPR, Martha Stewart, Sunset, and others. A Google Docs spreads…

Out of curiosity, how do you suppose that spreadsheet was created?

How would one go about finding the sources en masse from a set of articles? What tools would be used?

Re: A Follow-Up to "The Web is Public Domain"

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Post by drusenko »

deltaqueue wrote: post #59
drusenko wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely lost any possible sympathy for her when she posted this to Facebook, a day or so after the story broke: ------------ Hi Folks! Well, here I am with egg on my face! I did apologise to Monica via email, but aparently it wasnt enough for her. To all of you, thank you for your interest in Cooks Source and Again, to Monica, I am sorry -- my bad! You did find a way to get your "pound of flesh..." we used to ha…

For what it's worth, the person who wrote that was not the real Judith--someone created a fake Facebook account and made several posts like (and including) this one.

Really? This page looks pretty legitimate: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cooks-Source-Magazine/19699419...

They have postings going back to December 2009.

In the wall area, if you click on "Filters" and then "Just Cooks Source Magazine", you'll see that post I mentioned, which Facebook says originates from the Cooks Source Magazine Facebook page.

Maybe I'm getting confused somehow?

Re: A Follow-Up to "The Web is Public Domain"

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Post by ck2 »

Instead of picking up one of the multitude of books sent to me and typing it, I got lazy and went to the www and "found" something.

Well there you go, and they didn't need to write the 2000 other words on that page which were all excuses - no one forced them to be a publisher.

They copy and pasted and planned on begging for forgiveness later being easier than asking permission. Or maybe not even being noticed at all.

Google even has a public-domain/creative-commons search option which they didn't even bother to use.

Re: A Follow-Up to "The Web is Public Domain"

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Post by adriennefriend »

aasarava wrote: post #15

The editor's response reveals a lot about her understanding (or lack thereof) of the business she's in. Normally I'm willing to overlook small typos in blog posts -- but when you are an editor, and you are writing an important response on an important issue, it's not wise to get the punctuation wrong on the very first word . (It should be "it's sad", not "its sad".) That she continues not to use apostrophes throughou…

Re: typos.

Can we just do the "put yourself in their shoes" thing for a moment, and consider that she may be heart-broken by all of this, and typed that note through tears? Have you ever attempted to write a note (typed or hand-written), under extreme stress, pain, or frustration? I know I have. It wasn't pretty.

Please, some compassion.

Re: A Follow-Up to "The Web is Public Domain"

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Post by juiceandjuice »

rfugger wrote: post #69
grellas wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I couldn't agree more that this editor's fate is deserved and that this is an "apology" only in the traditional meaning of that word (an attempted defense and not a mea culpa ), and a poor one at that. I also have been critical of her unbelievably tone-deaf approach to the subject of handling the complaint of an innocent person whom she had wronged (see http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1870300 ). Yet, at some leve…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect

Is there a Dunning-Kruger effect for people's musical taste?

Re: A Follow-Up to "The Web is Public Domain"

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Post by nathanielksmith »

I am curious to hear the opinions of some of the people in this comment thread regarding the downloading of copyrighted music, torrenting copyrighted films, downloading copyrighted books, or otherwise illegally using copyrighted content.

I'm not defending this woman as she did do something wrong. However, I think it's distressing that people are celebrating her "defeat," especially as (I would guess) most of her critics are avid supporters of pirated content. Isn't there some statistic about how every American violates some copyright law just about every day?

Cooks Source was a small, free, regional publication--the kind you ignore at the dentist's. This doesn't excuse Cooks Source and doesn't mean that Monica shouldn't have taken issue like she did. But in the end, I just don't see a david vs. goliath story: I just see a bunch of people ganging up on one person.

Re: A Follow-Up to "The Web is Public Domain"

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Post by deltaqueue »

drusenko wrote: post #73
deltaqueue wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth, the person who wrote that was not the real Judith--someone created a fake Facebook account and made several posts like (and including) this one.

Really? This page looks pretty legitimate: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cooks-Source-Magazine/19699419... They have postings going back to December 2009. In the wall area, if you click on "Filters" and then "Just Cooks Source Magazine", you'll see that post I mentioned, which Facebook says originates from the Cooks Source Magazine Facebook page. Maybe I'm getting confused somehow?

Interesting--the Cooks Source page you linked is indeed the official group (created long before this debacle), and that appears to be a post from the group itself (so it is probably the real Judith). That being said, when this story went viral someone created a fake Judith profile and proceeded to troll everyone by posting extremely similar statements simultaneously apologizing and defending her stance.

Regardless, I think we can all agree this person is clearly in the wrong industry and still has little personal accountability for her mistakes.

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