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Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting FaceTime bug

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Re: Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting FaceTime bug

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Reported an iphone lock screen bug and received nothing. Thanks apple.

If it's a serious bug, talk to a zero day broker.

I thought Zerodium (as an example) was only interested in RCE type vulnerabilities, although I could see others being of value as well.

Re: Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting FaceTime bug

#82
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Do you mean like how some people are born into rich families and some into poor families? (I kid :)) Why kid? This is the way of the world.

Most people on US Forbes top 500 came from poverty and / or other disadvantage.

I will definitely need a source for that claim.

Re: Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting FaceTime bug

#83
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a transparent bug bounty system

The end result will be the same. You will call this a PR stunt.

...Does anybody consider all the existing bug bounty programs "PR stunts"? You seem like you're fishing for a reason to continue disagreeing, and you're most certainly putting words into a stranger's mouth.

A bug bounty program would demonstrate a lot more sincerity around securing their devices than a one-off reward to a kid given simply because the kid got enough attention in the media.

Re: Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting FaceTime bug

#84
post #79

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Do you mean like how some people are born into rich families and some into poor families? (I kid :)) Why kid? This is the way of the world.

Most people on US Forbes top 500 came from poverty and / or other disadvantage.

This statement is saved by the "and / or other disadvantage" because that includes the subconscious guilt that they ultimately owe all of their accomplishments to their wealthy parents, which is indeed a disadvantage that I struggle with daily. :'c

Re: Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting FaceTime bug

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post #79

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Do you mean like how some people are born into rich families and some into poor families? (I kid :)) Why kid? This is the way of the world.

Most people on US Forbes top 500 came from poverty and / or other disadvantage.

I don't think this is true. Forbes says 67% of their list is "self-made", meaning they're a 6-10 on the 10 point scale defined here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/luisakroll/2018/10/03/the-forbe...

As you can see, only a 9 or 10 should really count as coming from significant disadvantage. Mark Zuckerberg is an 8 on the scale (where 10 is most disadvantaged), and I think we can all agree he did not claw his way out of poverty. I'm having trouble finding overall numbers for each rank, but I'm certain 9s and 10s are not a majority of this list if 6-10 is only 67%.

Re: Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting FaceTime bug

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you mean like how some people are born into rich families and some into poor families? (I kid :)) Why kid? This is the way of the world.

Most people on US Forbes top 500 came from poverty and / or other disadvantage.

Seemed like a dubious claim, so tried to find a source and found this old article:

Did the Forbes 400 Billionaires Really 'Build That'? https://www.cnbc.com/id/49167533

Trimming a lot:

"United for a Fair Economy breaks down the Forbes list using a baseball analogy. It says

- 35 percent of the list was born in the “batter’s box,” with a lower-middle class or middle-class background...

- 22 percent of the list were born on first base: they came from a comfortable but not rich background and might have received some start-up capital from a family member.

- 11.5 percent were born on second base, the report says. Second base is defined as people who inherited a medium sized company or more than $1 million or got “substantial” start-up capital from a business or family member.

- 7 percent were born on third base, inheriting more than $50 million in wealth or a big company. The report includes Charles Koch and Charles Butt on third base.

- 21 percent were born on home plate, inheriting enough money to make the list."

So less than 35 percent would be coming from poverty, if this study is to be believed. This is for the 400 billionaires list though.

Re: Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting FaceTime bug

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They also pay more in taxes than the GDP of many countries.

Do they? I thought they were notorious for not paying taxes?

Despite the rampant reporting by the media about US companies not paying their "fair share" of taxes, as of 2017:

"The biggest taxpayer was the most profitable: Apple, which reserved $15.8 billion for income taxes on $59 billion in operating income. Apple reports its effective tax rate as 25.8%"

I think it's time to end this falsehood about Apple as I constantly see it posted on HN.

Re: Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting FaceTime bug

#88
post #79

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Do you mean like how some people are born into rich families and some into poor families? (I kid :)) Why kid? This is the way of the world.

Most people on US Forbes top 500 came from poverty and / or other disadvantage.

I don't know about the Forbes list, but it seems the share of wealth being inherited is pretty high & increasing at a good clip:

On the Share of Inheritance in Aggregate Wealth: Europe and the USA, 1900–2010 http://www.piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/AlvaredoGarbintiPiketty2...

Re: Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting FaceTime bug

#89

You know, I'm happy on some level for that individual. It seems like a great stroke of fortune. On another level, it bothers me that there are such large institutions that can arbitrarily "bless" random people like a deity or something. I also can't help but look at this cynically as a largely self-interested PR grab by Apple that is not a real sacrifice on their part.

Good on Apple. But people are uneasy because it sounds like a old medieval story about a noble family rewarding a random peasant that did one of them a boon. The modern trappings are different, but the story is the same. It's great that the peasant got a fine pair of oxen, but why don't all the peasants in the kingdom have oxen to farm with in the first place.

That's not Apple's fault, but it shows how we live in a modern aristocracy, built on finance and lines of capital instead of noble bloodlines.

Re: Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting FaceTime bug

#90
post #79

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Do you mean like how some people are born into rich families and some into poor families? (I kid :)) Why kid? This is the way of the world.

Most people on US Forbes top 500 came from poverty and / or other disadvantage.

Do you have a source for that? "Most" seems hard to believe.

I would also be hesitant to take the top 500 as representative of the top, say, 5 million.

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