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Spotify will now suspend or terminate accounts it finds are using ad blockers

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Post by akovaski »

perfect_wave wrote: post #463
gowld wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CDs don't send money to musicians either, unless they are self-publishing. But there's still a gap: I can't mix my paid-for (ripped) CDs and paid-for MP3s/AACs with streams in one app. This is the problem of letting the music distributer (Spotify) also control the player app.

Except you can do this with Spotify. https://support.spotify.com/is/using_spotify/features/listen...

I do this. It works, but there are some shortcomings.

You have to install the Spotify App on your PC. Adding new songs has been incredibly flaky for me (not recognizing that I've put new songs in the folder, Windows 10). The artists and albums don't show up in the "Artists" or "Albums" part of my Spotify library.

Re: Spotify will now suspend or terminate accounts it finds are using ad blockers

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Post by manigandham »

NullPrefix wrote: post #454
jamespo wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Access to spotify free tier is not a human right, it's quite easy to just not use it

Access to my site that tries to inject your pc with malware isn't a human right either.

Nobody said it is. It's your choice to use the service.

Re: Spotify will now suspend or terminate accounts it finds are using ad blockers

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Post by seatdrummer »

some_random wrote: post #421
djohnston wrote: post #256

Spotify: Provide service that costs labor, resources, licensing, etc. Spotify: Use ads for non-paying users to help cover the costs Freeloading Users: Use third party software to sidestep this source of revenue, essentially getting the product for free. Spotify: Ban these users. Freeloading Users: shocked_pikachu.jpg

Spotify: Serves arbitrary, third-party content through known malware vector. Users: Blocks known malware vector. Spotify and 'the usual' HN crowd: shocked_pikachu.jpg

It may be a malware vector, but if it's tied to the service, you should not use the service and demand the ads be fixed before you will remove the ad blocker.

In other words you use the service when you are satisfied with it's cost, instead of using the service and then negotiating the transaction posthoc.

Re: Spotify will now suspend or terminate accounts it finds are using ad blockers

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Post by michaelmrose »

beering wrote: post #514
kgwxd wrote: post #473

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's no stealing, it's not even lying. Show me where in the agreement it says exactly "you must to listen to ads from a third-party if you listen to music". There are things like "we retain the right to...", or "by using this service, you agree to allow us to...". There are no commandments, only stuff that covers their ass so you can't sue them for closing your account, exposing your personal information or letting o…

I'm frankly surprised at the level of entitlement that you and others are operating under. Section 8 and 9 of the Spotify T&C is what you are looking for, btw.

Stealing is taking property with the intention of permanently depriving the rightful owner of said property.

One cannot steal data by not watching ads because you can't deprive the owner of said data. Misusing a word to evoke an emotional response is intellectually dishonest and manipulative. Entitled is another overused manipulative term.

I am in fact entitled to decide what runs on my computer and spotify is entitled to decide who accesses theirs. If spotify closes accounts for not watching ads and I choose to block ads literally nobody is in the wrong. We are both exercising our respective rights.

At that point it becomes a discussion on what is prudent.

If you arne't in the habit of reading 5-10 pages of legalese when you walk into random stores I wonder why you believe people will read 5-10 pages of legalese before reading the dozens of sites they visit. People care about the terms and conditions exactly when they are informed of being in breach of them and only to the extent that being in breach of them effects their life.

In this case it seems incredibly likely that said users who aren't customers in the first place even if some of them watch ads will just watch free music on youtube.

On net spotify will save money on bandwidth which is incredibly cheap to start with, gain a modicum of new subscribers, and shrink their supply of free users that are their primary source of paid users.

Presumably they are in the best position to figure out if this is worth it and we shall all see.

Re: Spotify will now suspend or terminate accounts it finds are using ad blockers

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Post by michaelmrose »

EpicEng wrote: post #633
mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #607

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m frankly surprised you believe terms of service regarding a data stream that a company chooses to freely emit are in any way related whatsoever to a person’s right to restrict what is displayed on a physical device that they own. My screen is not Spotify’s property. They are allowed to TRY to display something on it, and it will only be displayed IF I LET THEM. There’s no discussion here.

>My screen is not Spotify’s property. They are allowed to TRY to display something on it, and it will only be displayed IF I LET THEM. There’s no discussion here And they will only send you that stream IF YOU LET THEM (display ads). That's the deal whether or not you like it. You don't get to substitute your own. So, they win, you lose.

The user wins in that they retain control of their device which is slightly more significant than the ability to listen to some tunes.

Re: Spotify will now suspend or terminate accounts it finds are using ad blockers

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Post by arthurofbabylon »

It blows my mind that an advertiser would present their product on Spotify’s ad network. The audience selects for people unwilling to spend even very little money on high-quality goods.

(In my social circles, avid consumers subscribe to Spotify by default. Several even subscribe to both Spotify and Apple Music.)

Re: Spotify will now suspend or terminate accounts it finds are using ad blockers

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Post by EpicEng »

michaelmrose wrote: post #666
EpicEng wrote: post #633

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>My screen is not Spotify’s property. They are allowed to TRY to display something on it, and it will only be displayed IF I LET THEM. There’s no discussion here And they will only send you that stream IF YOU LET THEM (display ads). That's the deal whether or not you like it. You don't get to substitute your own. So, they win, you lose.

The user wins in that they retain control of their device which is slightly more significant than the ability to listen to some tunes.

...ok so then we're back at "you do not have the right to use the service in any way you like."

Glad we agree.

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