> The aim was to see if a guaranteed safety net would help people find jobs I'm confused, was that ever the expected goal of basic income?
Same here. I've never heard that angle.
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#12I think it's human nature to do a little as possible for the most reward. If someone is giving you money to literally do nothing, then you're likely going to do..nothing!
Within the framework of rewarding people for behaving the way you're compelling them to, that's probably roughly true.
But I'm doubtful that people are actually sitting around, twiddling their thumbs, doing _nothing_. Maybe they're not getting jobs per se, but I'm very curious about what they actually are doing with the time they'd otherwise have to sell.
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#13I think it's human nature to do a little as possible for the most reward. If someone is giving you money to literally do nothing, then you're likely going to do..nothing!
That's provably false.
Can you add any sources for this? I see several that support OP's position from a cursory search.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_effort
https://medium.com/the-mission/dont-use-rewards-for-motivati...
http://hepg.org/hel-home/issues/10_2/helarticle/the-case-aga...
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#14I think it's human nature to do a little as possible for the most reward. If someone is giving you money to literally do nothing, then you're likely going to do..nothing!
Within the framework of rewarding people for behaving the way you're compelling them to, that's probably roughly true. But I'm doubtful that people are actually sitting around, twiddling their thumbs, doing _nothing_. Maybe they're not getting jobs per se, but I'm very curious about what they actually are doing with the time they'd otherwise have to sell.
If you gave me money with no requirement that I perform a task, or adhere to a set of rules, just free money in my lap, I'm going to use it to increase my level of joy and comfort, and avoidance of work. Granted I may take that money and spend it all on hookers and blow, but I will be doing what I want with that money, and not having to return any service or labor for it.
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#15So that if they are happier then that IS success. Job or no job is irrelevant.
Unfortunately the prevailing ideology dictates that if you're not working you are worthless and you should not feel happy.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Within the framework of rewarding people for behaving the way you're compelling them to, that's probably roughly true. But I'm doubtful that people are actually sitting around, twiddling their thumbs, doing _nothing_. Maybe they're not getting jobs per se, but I'm very curious about what they actually are doing with the time they'd otherwise have to sell.
If you gave me money with no requirement that I perform a task, or adhere to a set of rules, just free money in my lap, I'm going to use it to increase my level of joy and comfort, and avoidance of work. Granted I may take that money and spend it all on hookers and blow, but I will be doing what I want with that money, and not having to return any service or labor for it.
where will the hookers and blow come from if the hookers and dealers are on basic and doing nothing?
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#17I think it's human nature to do a little as possible for the most reward. If someone is giving you money to literally do nothing, then you're likely going to do..nothing!
They didn't crawl under a rock. They socialized with their families, maybe played on a team, contributed to the Animal Shelter, who knows what-all. Its called a life, and work is not the goal of it.
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#18> 'happier but jobless'
That's a very misleading title.
> Universal basic income, or UBI, means that everyone gets a set monthly income, regardless of means. The Finnish trial was a bit different
That's a huge difference. It encourages some of the unemployed people to stay unemployed. That's called "poverty trap".
This was not real UBI. Also, a 2-year long trial can be very misleading. People take very different choices knowing that they'll receive UBI for 2 years, or 10 years, or their whole life.
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#19I think it's human nature to do a little as possible for the most reward. If someone is giving you money to literally do nothing, then you're likely going to do..nothing!
Within the framework of rewarding people for behaving the way you're compelling them to, that's probably roughly true. But I'm doubtful that people are actually sitting around, twiddling their thumbs, doing _nothing_. Maybe they're not getting jobs per se, but I'm very curious about what they actually are doing with the time they'd otherwise have to sell.
Playing videogames?
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#20So, basically the article says that unemployed people who received a basic income stipend of $685/month weren't any more likely to get jobs within 2 years than a control group who didn't. This doesn't seem very surprising to me – if anything, I would expect people on UBI to be less likely to get jobs, and this study seems like evidence against that.
The control group also got money. Just via more paperwork. UBI for Finland is more about reducing bureaucracy and social security errors.