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Re: German for Programmers

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Interesting article.

Seems to me that the last footnote on the website about pre-computing x+4 in pipelined processors is very simmilar to (if not the same as) the fairly recently discovered Spectre/Meltdown vulnerability. What do you think?

Re: German for Programmers

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Well, sometimes Germans themselves are not quite sure about which article to use. It differs from north to south, from east to west and depends a lot on the dialect you're used to. An (Upper-)Bavarian would for example never say "die Butter". It is and will always be "der Butter". Same with "der Radio" in the South and "das Radio" for the rest of the country. Another funny thing I stumble upon every time Oktoberfest…

I have asked multiple germans about gendered nouns and other funky grammar points. I often end up getting different answers or confusion when I relate what I learnt from a reliable source elsewhere. Honestly, despite the confusion, I love how diverse the German language is despite the relatively small range and number of speakers, but also considering it came under many of the same forces for "flattening" the rules a…

From my experience you don't learn the grammar of your mother language the way you learn it when learning a language later. This appears to be universal. You just do what feels right and it works out but you can't cite the rule that applies.

Re: German for Programmers

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Having lived in Germany for 3 years now, and managed to speak German to a half-decent level (B1/B2), I offer the following observations. 1. The genders don't matter nearly as much as non-speakers think they do. If you talk to your bank, it doesn't matter if you ask about "der Konto", "die Konto" or "das Konto" (the last is actually correct), you will be able to communicate quite fine. Unlike French, there are very fe…

In my experience, not having German as my first language, you can get pretty far with guesses and rules of thumb as far as the genders are concerned. With experience your guesses will become more educated. You will start to feel the patterns in how the ending of a word maps to the gender of the noun, with some accuracy. You'll memorize some of the most common exceptions. "Impossible" delineations such as "mit das [..…

I like that I, as a german with "Abitur", still have no idea what Akkusativ, datic and whatnbot meeans.

Everything above 5th grade was reading poems and stuff, which I did great in :)

Re: German for Programmers

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Having lived in Germany for 3 years now, and managed to speak German to a half-decent level (B1/B2), I offer the following observations. 1. The genders don't matter nearly as much as non-speakers think they do. If you talk to your bank, it doesn't matter if you ask about "der Konto", "die Konto" or "das Konto" (the last is actually correct), you will be able to communicate quite fine. Unlike French, there are very fe…

As a native speaker I can confirm that using the wrong gender is totally fine. Sometimes even native speakers don't know better. That is what I keep telling people.

I think the most important thing to watch out is the formal (Sie) and informal (Du) form of addressing people. Not so much of politeness, but it sounds very awkward if you would address kids with "Sie" for example.

Re: German for Programmers

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It also shifts with time. 30 years back the prejudice would have been flipped. As a white immigrant you would've probably been a low educated russian or polish worker, while with a taint you would've been Italian and much more respected. It's the general bad practice of putting individuals into larger groups with a stigma based on visual appearance. I think a lot of the resentment about bad German skills in my genera…

Some comes from the attitude of creating the group "2nd generation immigrants". In the US, that's basically not a thing. There are reasons of course, just sayin'.

I would say, in the US it is at the same time "not a thing" and "an even bigger thing". I guess it is easier to be seen as American, but on the other hand, those Americans claim they are Irish/German/Italian (and the corresponding percentages), because of some great-grandfather. Germany historically also has had immigrants (e.g. Ruhr area with it's mines) but those people don't think they are Polish/Romanian, because of their ancestors.

Re: German for Programmers

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Man, as a native German I hate this obsession with german naming english words. Disruptive becomes "erschütternd" which is a bad translation, or how do you translate "tech-stack"? Technologie Haufen? I solve this by speaking denglish, but sometimes my fellow Germans who are less into the tech lingo complain about that. I really hate it when germans try to germanize international english words.

It is Technologie-Haufen or Technologiehaufen in correct grammar ;) See: deppenleerzeichen.de

Technologiehaufen sounds refreshingly honest if what you are referring to is the usual tangled mess of tools hotwired together from the repositories, and not the carefully vetted selection of neatly interlocking components people dream of when they say "tech stack". The latter might be called Basistechnologiekompisition which did not even exist in the Google index until now. If you insisted on making a direct translation, you should at least go with Stapel, not Haufen.

Tangent: stack (as in LIFO) is traditionally translated Keller instead of the much more literal Stapel, likely to avoid ambiguity between batch (also Stapel) and stack. One of the few ancient computer English translations that absolutely did make it into the 21st century is "Stapelverarbeitung". I think that this is because it sounds just as clumsy as the concept it is describing. When you say Stapelverarbeitung you can almost feel that stack of punched cards that you have never worked with if you are my generation.

Re: German for Programmers

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Having lived in Germany for 3 years now, and managed to speak German to a half-decent level (B1/B2), I offer the following observations. 1. The genders don't matter nearly as much as non-speakers think they do. If you talk to your bank, it doesn't matter if you ask about "der Konto", "die Konto" or "das Konto" (the last is actually correct), you will be able to communicate quite fine. Unlike French, there are very fe…

I haven't lived in Germany, but I've travelled there for work, and I've found that getting genders wrong confuses Germans. Or at least, German waiters. Also pro-tip - when asking if a sauce is "hot", don't use "heiss" which literally means hot, the word you want is "scharf", spicy. Because "heiss" is slang for "horny" and if you phrase it wrong, you end up asking the Afghani waiter if the sauce is horny, and he looks…

In this context they'd only think you are inquiring about the temperature of the sauce.

Re: German for Programmers

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In my experience, not having German as my first language, you can get pretty far with guesses and rules of thumb as far as the genders are concerned. With experience your guesses will become more educated. You will start to feel the patterns in how the ending of a word maps to the gender of the noun, with some accuracy. You'll memorize some of the most common exceptions. "Impossible" delineations such as "mit das [..…

I like that I, as a german with "Abitur", still have no idea what Akkusativ, datic and whatnbot meeans. Everything above 5th grade was reading poems and stuff, which I did great in :)

Well, Abitur from which state? Also helps if you had Latin.

In Germany the value of high school degrees depends hugely on the state in which you visited school.

Re: German for Programmers

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Right, but that standard is more about the written standard language than about the language as spoken in Hannover. I know it's a trope that TV news announcers supposedly pronounce things like they are pronounced in Hannover, but that pronounciation is not a standard. And for whatever it's worth, the Auslautverhärtung you referred to in several places in this thread is also just a Northern regional thing: https://de.…

There is a defacto standard, and telling otherwise to non-speakers is just misleading. Auslautverhärtung is part of that standard. What is the ending of the pronunciation of 'und' in your region? Is it 'd' or 't'?

> There is a defacto standard

Yes, for TV news announcers.

> Auslautverhärtung is part of that standard.

Says who? Not Wikipedia, which says that that's a regionalism and quotes sources. Where is the standard codified?

> What is the ending of the pronunciation of 'und' in your region? Is it 'd' or 't'?

This is a trick question: If I answer the same as you pronounce it, you'll say "see, it's standard!", and if I answer the other way, you'll say "well, it's not my fault that you don't speak Standard German™".

That said, it's 'd'. If anything, it's softened further and half swallowed to say something like "un'".

Re: German for Programmers

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Yea if you are not making an effort to pronounce it formal you'd say > Ich hab 'nen Rat für dich > Ich hab 'n Rad für dich where they sound the same.

You can go one step further replacing ich with ick. :)

But then it can be

> Ick hab 'nen Rad/Rat für dich.

either way!

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