No Thank You, Mr. Pecker • Hacker News Board

Re: No Thank You, Mr. Pecker

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Post by tallanvor » Fri, Feb 08, 2019, 9:58 AM UTC

bilbo0s wrote: post #221

fisherjeff wrote: post #137

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Depends on the analysis I suppose. This one makes it sound unlikely that the agreement will be voided: https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/10936583665834229...

Only analysis that matters in the end is the judge's. That's why when you're operating with something like that hanging over your head, you should keep your nose clean. You wouldn't believe the number of people who sidestep trouble with a deal like that, and then go right out and burn it up like idiots. I just don't get it?

Well, unfortunately that's not always the case. A prosecutor has to decide to make a case, otherwise it will never get to the judge.

Re: No Thank You, Mr. Pecker

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Post by akaij » Fri, Feb 08, 2019, 10:03 AM UTC

baybal2 wrote: post #430

samstave wrote: post #413

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If the CEO and Founder of AWS can be easily hacked by Saudis then what does that mean for the rest of silicon valley in general and 99% of YC funded startups who rely on AWS?

> If the CEO and Founder of AWS can be easily hacked by Saudis Was he actually hacked? Saudi LEO could've easily got those pics from Apple legally.

how would that work?

Re: No Thank You, Mr. Pecker

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Post by c3534l » Fri, Feb 08, 2019, 10:06 AM UTC

slg wrote: post #285

It seems like a lot of people are not reading between the lines of this post. Bezos apparently believes that he was hacked by either the US or Saudi government and that now one or both of those governments are using the National Enquirer as an attack dog against him. That accusation is much bigger than any other piece of this story. EDIT: Here [1] is a reporter from the Washington Post backing that up. The Bezos' cam…

I don't think politically motivated is in any way the same thing as state-sponsored attack. That's quite a leap.

Re: No Thank You, Mr. Pecker

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Feb 08, 2019, 10:09 AM UTC

gyaniv wrote: post #421

slg wrote: post #285

It seems like a lot of people are not reading between the lines of this post. Bezos apparently believes that he was hacked by either the US or Saudi government and that now one or both of those governments are using the National Enquirer as an attack dog against him. That accusation is much bigger than any other piece of this story. EDIT: Here [1] is a reporter from the Washington Post backing that up. The Bezos' cam…

I really doubt that it was done by a US government entity. Trump is the president and all, but to hack and release (by a third party) the personal information if a citizen (not suspected or related to any crime) seems to me to be something that even Trump or his supporters can't do, the intelligence agencies just wouldn't do it in my opinion. The Saudis seem like a much more likely party to do it in my opinion, mostl…

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Re: No Thank You, Mr. Pecker

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Post by baybal2 » Fri, Feb 08, 2019, 10:09 AM UTC

rjf72 wrote: post #387

toephu2 wrote: post #335

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>"hacked" by either the US or Saudi government You think the U.S./Saudi government can remotely grab pics from an iPhone? Apple has disclosed lots of security info saying even they cannot do this. The iPhone/iOS wasn't built in that way. I think the leak likely comes from someone close to Ms. Sanchez, or she fell victim to a phishing attack (or account recovery hack).

Apple is part of the PRISM surveillance program [1] operated by the NSA. Internal slides from the NSA indicate that said program is capable of providing "extensive, in-depth surveillance on live communications and stored information" including email, video, voice chat, photos, and more. When Apple was first approached about their role in PRISM they, unlike other companies, chose to outright lie stating that, "We have…

> I would expect such desires have long since existed even if only for 'national security', which in today's world of wide net surveillance happens to overlap with dick pics.

Spooks like dirt and compromising materiel exactly because it is useful for blackmail.

Re: No Thank You, Mr. Pecker

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Post by baybal2 » Fri, Feb 08, 2019, 10:11 AM UTC

akaij wrote: post #432

baybal2 wrote: post #430

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> If the CEO and Founder of AWS can be easily hacked by Saudis Was he actually hacked? Saudi LEO could've easily got those pics from Apple legally.

how would that work?

Mohammad the Bonesaw comes to Apple's Rhiyadh office and orders them to surrender Jeff's d*picks, and obliges them to comply

Re: No Thank You, Mr. Pecker

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Post by c3534l » Fri, Feb 08, 2019, 10:12 AM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #409

jorblumesea wrote: post #299

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House of Saud, maybe, they are dumb enough to think this would work. Given their inept handling of the Khashoggi I wouldn't be surprised. I doubt anyone in the US intelligence profession would think Bezos would call off the WaPo because of some scandalous photos. "Just blackmail the richest man on the planet, that will totally work!"

> "Just blackmail the richest man on the planet, that will totally work!" Given the number of people and media who seem to be convinced without a doubt that Trump is being blackmailed by Russia...

Didn't he pay off a former pornstar tons of money to stay quiet about having sex with him? Doesn't seem implausible when he's already paid millions in hush money to keep embarassing personal info from leaking.

Re: No Thank You, Mr. Pecker

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Post by anonytrary » Fri, Feb 08, 2019, 10:12 AM UTC

samstave wrote: post #413

slg wrote: post #285

It seems like a lot of people are not reading between the lines of this post. Bezos apparently believes that he was hacked by either the US or Saudi government and that now one or both of those governments are using the National Enquirer as an attack dog against him. That accusation is much bigger than any other piece of this story. EDIT: Here [1] is a reporter from the Washington Post backing that up. The Bezos' cam…

If the CEO and Founder of AWS can be easily hacked by Saudis then what does that mean for the rest of silicon valley in general and 99% of YC funded startups who rely on AWS?

This is not a productive line of reasoning, and mostly acts as a red herring in this entire discussion. The security of AWS has absolutely nothing to do with the security of the CEO of Amazon, even if AWS is a product of Amazon. You can sell the best basketballs and be a terrible basketball player at the same time.

Re: No Thank You, Mr. Pecker

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Post by greendesk » Fri, Feb 08, 2019, 10:13 AM UTC

gyaniv wrote: post #421

slg wrote: post #285

It seems like a lot of people are not reading between the lines of this post. Bezos apparently believes that he was hacked by either the US or Saudi government and that now one or both of those governments are using the National Enquirer as an attack dog against him. That accusation is much bigger than any other piece of this story. EDIT: Here [1] is a reporter from the Washington Post backing that up. The Bezos' cam…

I really doubt that it was done by a US government entity. Trump is the president and all, but to hack and release (by a third party) the personal information if a citizen (not suspected or related to any crime) seems to me to be something that even Trump or his supporters can't do, the intelligence agencies just wouldn't do it in my opinion. The Saudis seem like a much more likely party to do it in my opinion, mostl…

>>Trump is the president and all, but to hack and release (by a third party) the personal information if a citizen (not suspected or related to any crime) seems to me to be something that even Trump or his supporters can't doTrump is the president and all, but to hack and release (by a third party) the personal information if a citizen (not suspected or related to any crime) seems to me to be something that even Trump or his supporters can't do, the intelligence agencies just wouldn't do it in my opinion.

For me it checks out - leaking informations sounds like something that Trump or his supporters would do. Why would not they, if they have the option to? Per the intelligence agencies - are you sure that they are a single entity, where people are of uniform opinion? And every single person follows law to the letter of it? There is the example that those services employed Snowden - if the services were so organised as to avoid such hacks, we would not have heard of Snowden.

Sure, Sanchez' phone might have had leaks in it... but it is just as plausible as a government officials (US or non-US) accessing his phone.

Re: No Thank You, Mr. Pecker

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Post by cm2187 » Fri, Feb 08, 2019, 10:15 AM UTC

c3534l wrote: post #437

cm2187 wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Just blackmail the richest man on the planet, that will totally work!" Given the number of people and media who seem to be convinced without a doubt that Trump is being blackmailed by Russia...

Didn't he pay off a former pornstar tons of money to stay quiet about having sex with him? Doesn't seem implausible when he's already paid millions in hush money to keep embarassing personal info from leaking.

So then blackmailing seems to be a viable strategy! Merely pointing at the contradiction.