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Moving from Go to PHP Again

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Re: Moving from Go to PHP Again

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Post by ehnto »

_the_inflator wrote: post #6

Can relate, after 7+ years I am again using WordPress and PHP again. I am impressed by PHP 7.

Hm, I hate to be on the bandwagon, but why WordPress? One of the things that has made PHP become what it is today is a focus on good software engineering and the introduction of language features that are required by that. WordPress did not keep up on the engineering front and there are so many amazing options out there now for well written, well engineered platforms. Even in pre-built blog platforms.

You're not alone mind you, most of the new platforms are not very popular just because of how embedded WordPress is in its ecosystem. It just surprises me that both WordPress never moved on and that the PHP developer community never chose something different when it was clear WordPress had no intention of moving to more modern practices.

Re: Moving from Go to PHP Again

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Post by benatkin »

tptacek wrote: post #2

For the kinds of applications people tend to build in PHP, PHP is probably a better choice than Go. I'd still do Django or Rails before PHP, but Go just isn't designed to make serverside-rendered database-backed websites especially pleasant to write.

Flask is a good alternative to Django for building web apps with python on the backend. If I'm using react or vue with a JSON API, I don't need the form support in symfony or django.

Re: Moving from Go to PHP Again

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Post by trixie_ »

Each PHP file is an endpoint. As opposed to having routers in code or client side SPA routing.

PHP files can be deployed independently, swapped out or updated live.

No building/compiling of the php files needed.

A single layer as opposed to 'modern architecture' where there's client side back/front end layers, api layer, logic, validator, data access, and ORM layers.

Can extend itself as it runs. For example Wordpress, running off of php files can download plugins to its own server (which are just more php files) to instantly extend itself. Without restarting or redeployment. (What other web platforms can do this?)

Intuitive, simple, powerful. Can be as easy as editing a php file in notepad and dropping it on a ftp server. Deployed.

Amazon lambda may have more in common with PHP in terms of discreet deployable units of functionality. What's old is new again.

Compiling/deploying an entire system to change a single endpoint feels backwards after using PHP.

Re: Moving from Go to PHP Again

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Post by edgarvaldes »

namidark wrote: post #4
tptacek wrote: post #2

For the kinds of applications people tend to build in PHP, PHP is probably a better choice than Go. I'd still do Django or Rails before PHP, but Go just isn't designed to make serverside-rendered database-backed websites especially pleasant to write.

Buffalo has made it a pretty pleasant experience in the past year or so

Buffalo?

Re: Moving from Go to PHP Again

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Post by sethrin »

tomschlick wrote: post #5
steve19 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have not written a new PHP app in years but recently I had a look at the latest and greatest from the PHP community and its pretty good. The frameworks and tooling look about as good as you will get anywhere and PHP appears to be fast now.

As someone who was about to ditch the PHP ecosystem 6 years ago for something like Rails... frameworks like Laravel absolutely changed the PHP ecosystem. Also since the release of PHP 7.0, core development seems to have really picked up with good stuff in every release (7.3 was just released a few months ago).

I've used both Rails and Laravel fairly extensively. The Psy shell and Laravel collections library are quite nice, but not quite as versatile as Rails/pry. However, Ruby has a long way to go to catch up to the PHP interpreter's performance.

Re: Moving from Go to PHP Again

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Post by vvpan »

ehnto wrote: post #11
_the_inflator wrote: post #6

Can relate, after 7+ years I am again using WordPress and PHP again. I am impressed by PHP 7.

Hm, I hate to be on the bandwagon, but why WordPress? One of the things that has made PHP become what it is today is a focus on good software engineering and the introduction of language features that are required by that. WordPress did not keep up on the engineering front and there are so many amazing options out there now for well written, well engineered platforms. Even in pre-built blog platforms. You're not alon…

I am completely out of the loop here. All I know is that I really disliked Wordpress and really-really disliked Drupal back in the day. Can you mention some of the better alternatives? Once in a while a PHP CMS is what I gotta deal with and I dread it, because of the said systems.
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