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Ask HN: Developers aged 50, how have you gotten around age discrimination?

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Re: Ask HN: Developers aged 50, how have you gotten around age discrimination?

#52

There is a technology called hair coloring, stack it with a hoodie and some well fitted slacks, roll up one of the ankle cuffs a bit. Talk like you've exited a startup and are just working for fun, or something to keep you interested, but not like you actually have to.

That’s an ok strategy if you actually want to end up in a loud open office, “crushing it” with 20-something tech ‘bros, failing fast and playing hard. However, I’d guess that most people will see past the “How do you do, fellow kids” disguise.

Embrace the gray beard, find one of those companies that welcomes us geezers, and clearly articulate how our decades of experience translates to business value.

Re: Ask HN: Developers aged 50, how have you gotten around age discrimination?

#53

I'm 49! I've been working since I'm 17 as a developer -- I think the KEY thing is to be valuable, and be able to change quickly BUT not as quickly as the snowflakes. Ignore the fad tech, get a good, serious, bulletproof base in actual computer science -- I mean, LOW LEVEL stuff--, that will help you learn ANYTHING computer related quickly, and continue surfing that wave with whatever tech you fancy might actually be…

> to work with younger guys as a 1:1 basis

I wonder if you can expand on this. As I get older, I find myself and my peers confronted with having to answer to younger, often less experienced, stakeholders. What kind of challenges have these presented for you and how have you adapted? What philosophy or attitude should us aging techies adopt as the gap between our peers widens?

Re: Ask HN: Developers aged 50, how have you gotten around age discrimination?

#54

I'm 49! I've been working since I'm 17 as a developer -- I think the KEY thing is to be valuable, and be able to change quickly BUT not as quickly as the snowflakes. Ignore the fad tech, get a good, serious, bulletproof base in actual computer science -- I mean, LOW LEVEL stuff--, that will help you learn ANYTHING computer related quickly, and continue surfing that wave with whatever tech you fancy might actually be…

The big money question is: How have you managed to stay passionate about your job?

I just posted a comment in another thread about burnout. It's very common in our industry. I believe it's due to the Coolidge Effect. Aka, the brains inherent search for novelty. It's a struggle to not look at almost all programming tasks as just some variation of the same problem, if you've been doing this long enough. How do you keep it interesting enough, to stay passionate?

Re: Ask HN: Developers aged 50, how have you gotten around age discrimination?

#56

I'm 49! I've been working since I'm 17 as a developer -- I think the KEY thing is to be valuable, and be able to change quickly BUT not as quickly as the snowflakes. Ignore the fad tech, get a good, serious, bulletproof base in actual computer science -- I mean, LOW LEVEL stuff--, that will help you learn ANYTHING computer related quickly, and continue surfing that wave with whatever tech you fancy might actually be…

Can I ask, with 32 years in the business, are you in a management (or less technical) position now, or still 'in the trenches'? Is there a difference in the likelihood of ageism in management roles v developer roles?

Re: Ask HN: Developers aged 50, how have you gotten around age discrimination?

#58
Late 50's. React/Redux developer. Always learn new things. Simply ask other developers if a company has a reputation to hire people my age. Most have a reputation to only hire people out of college or a few years older. I just don't waste my time with those companies. Look for small companies which have several people who look like me.

Re: Ask HN: Developers aged 50, how have you gotten around age discrimination?

#59
I'm 57. I've seen plenty of age discrimination, but primarily at large companies. Smaller companies don't seem to be nearly as prone to cutting people purely by age. Regardless of company stay current and maintain new skills. After 35 years of only software development, went back to my Electrical Engineering roots and doing hardware development and have developed 3 different boards and wrote the software stack for the boards. Companies that cut solely on age deserve the loss of good experience; their mistake.

Re: Ask HN: Developers aged 50, how have you gotten around age discrimination?

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Everyone here is talking about their skillset, and I'm going to take another direction: appearance and interpersonal skills.

There is ageism, yes, but I think a deeper problem is reaction to peoples appearance. If you are late twenties concerned about age, then hide it, starting now.

* Always wear sunscreen when you are outside, regardless of race. It prevents skin aging, and you'll still tan and get Vitamin D regardless.

* Work out: lifting weights and doing cardio have differing goals and match up in interesting ways. Learn them. I do almost 100% pure heavy weight lifting, and I'm actually very thin, despite what I toss around.

* Make sure your clothes fit and look good. Go to a tailor and get one outfit made nice a year for interviews/on-sites (if working remotely) etc.

Taking care of yourself physically might not seem related to a lot of this, but people discriminate in a number of ways, and the more you take away, the better you might do. In addition, two of the above are general health things that you should be doing anyhow.

I forgot about interpersonal skills when I first finished writing this:

* Practice getting people talking about themselves. It's the best way to get people to think that you are interesting. I would argue it's the most important tool in my interpersonal skillset and I've met a ton of interesting people using it.

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