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#81
In my experience burnout is not necessarily caused by overwork but by an expectation miss following a burst of lots of labor is continuously high labor. This effectively negatively reinforces your association of labor to reward. It's especially bad when something out of your control (e.g. politics) kills your project.

Doing the easy thing and goofing off or taking a break can be exactly the worst thing to do, since you're creating a reward for not-laboring.

My remedy for burnout is to power through it by doing small workful things which are intrinsically their own reward (and not in the pithy sense, there needs to be a primary rewarding stimulus associated with success). When I was a biologist, this was often doing routine molecular biology for a week, seeing those colonies was gratifying (if slow). As a programmer, those green dots carry their own gratification and reward cycle; when I feel burnout coming along it's a great time to work on those refactors or unit tests you've been putting off.

I don't have major burnout episodes anymore, and haven't for the last six years or so (disclaimer: it could also be just maturity)

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#82
It's been mentioned a few times already but I just wanted to +1 the suggestion of considering therapy. And I don't even mean that in a "you sound like you need therapy" sense; I think therapy can be a great tool for anyone trying to improve the way they handle stresses like this, regardless of whether you think anything is "wrong" with you (e.g. depression, anxiety, etc). I have struggled with fairly severe anxiety at points in my career/life, but therapy has just generally helped me a lot with handling stress, not taking things so personally, fighting procrastination, not coupling so much of my self-worth to my work performance, etc.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#83
I put a strict timeline on the activities that were burning me out, which were contracting and legal problems. I scheduled about 4 hours a week to work on them, and I told myself if the outcome wasn't good then it could go to hell because that's all the time it was worth. Then I worked on stuff I liked and thought was important in the rest of my time.

It took about 1.5 years to get through the work, and another year or so for the last traces of burnout to go away. In retrospect, I think letting go of the fear of failure was what helped me the most.

I was influenced by the passage on burnout from Feynman's memoirs, for what it's worth (excerpted here: https://www.asc.ohio-state.edu/kilcup.1/262/feynman.html).

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#84
Three things have helped me through a difficult period of burning out and returning to health.

+) Daily positive habits are a strong and resilient buffer against life's onslaught. Quick inventory - today did you get enough sleep, have a period of intense and sustained exercise, and did you eat multiple healthy meals? If you say yes to all three every day, I guarantee your mood will consistently improve.

+) Remove your concerns and obligations from your head to a written digital assistant. Asana has helped me move all my open loops to a single place. Getting Things Done expresses this well.

+) Define the One Thing you want to do today. Becoming overwhelmed often happens when too many things come from too many directions. Pick just one thing and do it.

If you make habits of these, I guarantee your mood and energy will improve all equal.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#85
This might be a little out there...

Read Autobiography of a Yogi first.

Contemplate on "who are you?"

You are just a tiny fraction of the whole consciousness.

So when you do any kind of work, realize you are not the Doer. You're just an instrument serving the moment unfolding in front of you.

This is the teaching Lord Krishna gave to Arjuna when he felt can't fight in the war against his family in the allegorical story in the Bhagavad Gita.

Lens your perspective a bit...

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What I see a lot around me: Kids work really hard to get into a good high school High School kids work really hard to get into a good college College kids work really hard to get into a great first job Young Adults working really hard to progress their career Adults working hard and burning out because that is all they really know. If you've always been an A student, and had a good career, its hard to change mentalit…

> Just doing your hours, dont volunteer to do extra, and figure out what you enjoy that makes you happy

Im only 28, but I don't feel burned out despite working very hard at growing my abilities.

I take breaks, lots of breaks. I do my best to enjoy as much as I can. I block out and forget the annoying crap.

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#89

Stop competing. Life is more or less meaningless. One of the ways some people cope is competition. You don't have to be high-performance. No one except the people profiting from your labor really care about your high performance. The work you are producing is being put into the dustbin of history more quickly than you realize. I quit my job. Had some garage sales. Went on some road trips. Now I freelance. I can work…

> Life is more or less meaningless.

Philosophy(stoicism) has helped me free myself from stress and helped me focus on the task at hand.

Mindset is huge.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#90

In my experience burnout is not necessarily caused by overwork but by an expectation miss following a burst of lots of labor is continuously high labor. This effectively negatively reinforces your association of labor to reward. It's especially bad when something out of your control (e.g. politics) kills your project. Doing the easy thing and goofing off or taking a break can be exactly the worst thing to do, since y…

A side note: if you think as a programmer you've burned bad, the worst ever case of burnout I saw was with a grad student in a high pressure chemistry lab. The student kept repeatedly failing to build catalytic antibodies. It was a very high pressure project because it was supposed to be the ultimate validation of his professor's seminal work (but at the same time the professor had moved on to sexier ideas - unnatural amino acids in proteins). The project kept failing in the big picture due to factors out of his control - it was a flawed idea because chemistry needs to bury the active sites of enzymes and antibodies have surface active sites - and it got way worse when his boss forced him to keep trying using an idea that it turned out was fraudulent (see homme hellinga misconduct)... But there were always enough small experimental reasons to justify continuing.

Anyways the student wound up so burnt out that his sleep cycle totally flipped three times (don't want to wake up and face the world but have to show face for 100h in the lab). Biochemistry has a lot of waiting, so he got into playing flash emulated ganeboy Tetris but of course it's so addictive that he often ruined experiments by missing critical steps. Some days he would give up and go to the casino and play poker instead. His health suffered so he started going on 4am runs, then busted his back with a herniated disc. When he was in the lab, he would obsess about things like getting perfectly metal-free water and he made centrosymmetric designs in the pipette tip dispenser box (it's kind of common but I now recognize this as not ocd but a warning that a scientist is in the burnout phase).

Many of his behaviors were consistent with reward seeking behavior.

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