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Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

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Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#71
Stop competing. Life is more or less meaningless. One of the ways some people cope is competition. You don't have to be high-performance. No one except the people profiting from your labor really care about your high performance. The work you are producing is being put into the dustbin of history more quickly than you realize.

I quit my job. Had some garage sales. Went on some road trips. Now I freelance. I can work hard for good clients, and when the project is over I can take a couple of months off.

I work remotely in a relatively low cost of living area. I have one car and a 800 sq ft house. Life doesn't have to be that hard.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#72
Getting professional help (namely Cognitive Behavioural Therapy) to have a more positive perspective on my every day life.

A bad work/life balance will make your burn out fast but many don't realize bad mental health will lead you there just as fast.

I feel like the term (burning out) is just sugar coating depression because that's more sexy to talk about.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#73
I burnt out 6 years ago and still haven't recovered.

I'm 33, and I haven't been able to find a job in the past 2 years.

I've pretty much given up on working in the mainstream economy.

What makes me most angry is that all those years people made money off of me and exploited my tendency to work blindly to exhaustion.

I sure as shit not going to work for crumbs anymore, the 9-5, the whole work to live mentality so many of my peers have.

It means that I'm going to have to do things that are socially reprehensible but make a great payday.

I justify this for all shit I've taken for the past 15 years.

When society fucks you, you fuck it right back and profit off of it. This is what YC taught me.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#74
post #27

The easy: Drink more water. Stretch regularly. The habits to change: Eat breakfast. Cherish loved ones. The difficult: Empathize with your employer; understand how they (don't) value you. Contemplate the evanescence of your work; it will all someday fade away, and you must come to terms with this fact.

It's surprising to me that so many people recommend eating breakfast. There's no specific value add to eating early in the morning. There are tons of value adds to constraining the hours you eat during each day ("intermittent fasting"). Eat breakfast at your own risk: https://priceonomics.com/how-breakfast-became-a-thing/ https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/is-skipping-breakfast-b... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi…

Depends what you are looking to get out of it, I never used to eat breakfast, maybe I was always just unsatisfied with it, but in a way I was unwittenly doing intermittent fasting. It certainly helped me maintain a healthy weight and I'm seemingly healthy by all metrics but for those that need the nutritional benefits to start an early morning and just feel good about getting up in the morning that's the real benefit when you have a routine to stick to.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#75

   Fill your bowl to the brim
   and it will spill.
   Keep sharpening your knife
   and it will blunt.
   Chase after money and security
   and your heart will never unclench.
   Care about people's approval
   and you will be their prisoner.

   Do your work, then step back.
   The only path to serenity.
-- Tao Te Ching, chapter 9, Stephen Mitchell translation (http://taoteching.org.uk/index.php?c=9&a=Stephen+Mitchell)

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#78
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's surprising to me that so many people recommend eating breakfast. There's no specific value add to eating early in the morning. There are tons of value adds to constraining the hours you eat during each day ("intermittent fasting"). Eat breakfast at your own risk: https://priceonomics.com/how-breakfast-became-a-thing/ https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/is-skipping-breakfast-b... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi…

Depends what you are looking to get out of it, I never used to eat breakfast, maybe I was always just unsatisfied with it, but in a way I was unwittenly doing intermittent fasting. It certainly helped me maintain a healthy weight and I'm seemingly healthy by all metrics but for those that need the nutritional benefits to start an early morning and just feel good about getting up in the morning that's the real benefit…

Having a schedule and routine is massively important and can outweigh the benefits/detriments of other choices like whether or not you eat breakfast.

If you are going to eat breakfast, be wary of the stuff that's marketed as breakfast foods and cook with real ingredients.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#79
My recommendation is simple and it's what works for me. For a few weeks change your routine. Don't work on projects - you can think about them but don't actually work on them.

Rest - like really rest. I'm usually very guilty of never sleeping enough so when I do this I try to sleep a full 7.5-8 hours a night, sometimes more. I also take a week or two off from exercise to supplement the rest so my body can physically recover. But keep waking up at your normal time, just go to bed earlier (unless you're already getting enough sleep).

Perhaps use one of the weeks to take a vacation if the budget, timing, etc. allows for it.

Allow yourself unplanned time where you can do whatever you want. Whether that be driving around aimlessly listening to music (which I love to do), reading a few books you wanted to but never got around to, or deciding on a whim to go somewhere or do something specific.

Allow time for yourself to just let your mind wander. This isn't really possible when your phone constantly distracts you so keep that in mind. I do some of my best thinking when I can just allow my mind to wander and ignore my phone for hours on end. Also consider meditation if that's your thing (not really my thing). Related to this is allowing yourself time to just sit in silence. I don't know why but I find it very soothing and restorative - maybe because I have young children who are loud.

Do something for someone else. Maybe your mother needs something done in the house. Maybe your friend needs help moving. Maybe you just want to volunteer a day or two for Habitat for Humanity. Doesn't have to be huge but seems to be good for the soul. But make sure it's something you actually have to do - don't just cut a check to some 401c entity.

Re: Ask HN: How are you getting through (and back from) burning out?

#80
I've been there before. I recently came across Jamis Buck's talking about his experience https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71suekjBV9Y and I strongly recommend it. If only to hear someone eloquently talk about going through the process.

Previously, I saw his talk about generating mazes and it has always stuck with me. (Unfortunately that one wasn't recorded). Speaking as a developer, I have been writing code and solving problems professionally for so long that I have forgotten what it's like to just write code for fun. For me, and not for anyone else. Without any expectations or stress. And listening to him talking about rediscovering fun by exploring different ways to create mazes really clicked with me.

I've only recently gotten back into that, and it has been embarrassingly awkward to knock off the rust and put myself in the mindset of "Let's just do this because it could be cool".

I even bought his book on generating mazes. Not because I'm particularly into them, but to help exercise those sore muscles and I'm thinking I can perhaps feed on his passion. A coworker told me he also put one out about building ray tracers. To branch out beyond that, I've also begun putting together a list of fun hacks that interest me personally.

Now I say all of this, but I do think while time away from your day-to-day is very important (take some vacation time! spend time exploring other hobbies!), even after a significant time away, when you come back to your day job you may still be unmotivated/numb/demoralized. I'm hoping rediscovering the fun in what I do helps put things in perspective more than just listening to others preach. Helps rekindle the feelings and reasons why I pursued my career in the first place beyond just making a living.

Good luck. I wish you the best.

Edit: OH! I completely forgot. Make sure to prioritize the easy-to-ignore-things. Spend time with friends/family. Exercise. Make sure you're getting enough sleep.

Those sound so simple, but I strongly believe it's incredibly tough when you ignore those basics.

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