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Re: Lyft lobbying to prevent Portland from regulating impact of ride-sharing

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> Bribery tends to be a crime because we haven't found a way to short circuit en masse the human tendency to submit to influence Contrary to popular belief, lobbying and bribery are in fact not the same thing.

What's the difference?

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Re: Lyft lobbying to prevent Portland from regulating impact of ride-sharing

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I've seen the effect of San Francisco "governing itself". In many respects, I would rather they didn't. "Governing itself" isn't some magical good. The cost of incompatible laws in jurisdictions can be large and invisible. Since the legislature ignores the cost of laws, they are encouraged to complicate things as much as possible. I'm on Lyft's side here.

You want corporate interests to rule a city? That's not even remotely democratic.

I want regulation at the state level. Obviously, people know the legislation would be too heavy handed so they're trying to pass it at a layer where they don't need to compromise. That's a perversion of the system.

Re: Lyft lobbying to prevent Portland from regulating impact of ride-sharing

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You want corporate interests to rule a city? That's not even remotely democratic.

"Governing itself" isn't some magical good I don't think one who holds this particular stance is particularly concerned with the merits of democracy. Call me on it, if I'm wrong, scarejunba.

Oh no, I have to call you out. What a challenge! Will I rise to meet this grave insult to my honour? But I must, I surely must.

Give me a break. I honestly don't even know what you're insinuating here but perhaps you're too afraid to say it out loud?

Re: Lyft lobbying to prevent Portland from regulating impact of ride-sharing

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Many of the bullet points are somewhat vague, but one is strangely specific:

> Prohibiting companies from charging passengers with disabilities higher prices during busy times.

First of all, what constitutes 'disability'?

How will passengers identify themselves as 'disabled' to the apps?

How would the companies store this highly private information? (think medical-info grade, not credit-card grade)

What will indemnify the companies from claims of discrimination, claims possible in light of the companies being aware of users' disabilities, information they never wanted to keep in the first place?

And finally, not to make it the main topic, but who would pay for this? That "surge pricing" you pay is, in turn, being paid to the drivers. The drivers are "chasing the surge'.

Re: Lyft lobbying to prevent Portland from regulating impact of ride-sharing

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Special interest groups generally can’t “fund his re-election” because it’s illegal for corporations to donate to candidates. It might be worth considering whether your belief that “it happens all the fucking time” is based on facts or some sort of inchoate narrative you’ve picked up over the years.

> it’s illegal for corporations to donate to candidates. Only directly, I thought? Can't they can give money to PACs which then give to candidates? In theory there's no collusion but...

The PAC are required not to coordinate and they can be scrupulous about never being in the same room as the candidate. But they don't need to coordinate to e.g. run a TV ad campaign endorsing a candidate who's done something they like.

Re: Lyft lobbying to prevent Portland from regulating impact of ride-sharing

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Honestly, I would much prefer everything get regulated at state level. I live in NJ. There are 565 municipalities here. Every single one has different regulations. For example, if one were to pick up a prearranged regular fare from Terminal A at EWR (Newark Liberty International), they might not know that this terminal is in the City of Elizabeth. The city sometimes has plainclothes detectives write $783 tickets. For…

Echoing you concern and somehow related: in Germany it is almost impossible to get state of the art software infrastructure on the road for customers of public transit because of the fragmentation of transportation providers. Municipalities run their own systems and while not all of them are actively sabotaging attempts at increased coherence, none of them has any incentive to increase coherence either. If it weren't…

Japan has bunch of different rail providers that run parts of the network. I wonder how the interoperability problems are solved over there.

Re: Lyft lobbying to prevent Portland from regulating impact of ride-sharing

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it’s illegal for corporations to donate to candidates. Only directly, I thought? Can't they can give money to PACs which then give to candidates? In theory there's no collusion but...

The PAC are required not to coordinate and they can be scrupulous about never being in the same room as the candidate. But they don't need to coordinate to e.g. run a TV ad campaign endorsing a candidate who's done something they like.

Although they do appear to "coordinate" quite effectively.

e.g. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/super-pac-coordinatio...

Re: Lyft lobbying to prevent Portland from regulating impact of ride-sharing

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post #54

Many of the bullet points are somewhat vague, but one is strangely specific: > Prohibiting companies from charging passengers with disabilities higher prices during busy times. First of all, what constitutes 'disability'? How will passengers identify themselves as 'disabled' to the apps? How would the companies store this highly private information? (think medical-info grade, not credit-card grade) What will indemnif…

I would assume the definition of disabled at play here is related to the equipment of the car e.g. wheelchair lift, or service required e.g. driver getting out of the car to help someone in or out of the car.

Re: Lyft lobbying to prevent Portland from regulating impact of ride-sharing

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Honestly, I would much prefer everything get regulated at state level. I live in NJ. There are 565 municipalities here. Every single one has different regulations. For example, if one were to pick up a prearranged regular fare from Terminal A at EWR (Newark Liberty International), they might not know that this terminal is in the City of Elizabeth. The city sometimes has plainclothes detectives write $783 tickets. For…

Echoing you concern and somehow related: in Germany it is almost impossible to get state of the art software infrastructure on the road for customers of public transit because of the fragmentation of transportation providers. Municipalities run their own systems and while not all of them are actively sabotaging attempts at increased coherence, none of them has any incentive to increase coherence either. If it weren't…

Yeah this is a really frustrating. A lot of the transit agencies don't have their schedules on third-party apps, and even the ones that do don't seem to usually release real-time data.

For example I'm in Munich, Google Maps shows schedules but not real-time departures, and the data definitely exists somewhere since their own apps show it. Of course, since this is a random one-off transit agency app, the UX is absolutely atrocious compared to Google Maps.

Re: Lyft lobbying to prevent Portland from regulating impact of ride-sharing

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Echoing you concern and somehow related: in Germany it is almost impossible to get state of the art software infrastructure on the road for customers of public transit because of the fragmentation of transportation providers. Municipalities run their own systems and while not all of them are actively sabotaging attempts at increased coherence, none of them has any incentive to increase coherence either. If it weren't…

Japan has bunch of different rail providers that run parts of the network. I wonder how the interoperability problems are solved over there.

That's true and as interesting it is, that it seems to be working is, that most, if not all providers are private companies. I don't have an answer to that...
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