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If San Francisco is so great, why is everyone I love leaving?

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Re: If San Francisco is so great, why is everyone I love leaving?

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Post by tasubotadas »

egypturnash wrote: post #165
tasubotadas wrote: post #108

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Well, that's how the cookie crumbles. If you can't afford the place where you currently live, you move somewhere else.

I wonder if SF will get bad enough that it's simply not worth the commute for anyone who's not a techie to live there. No more fast-food workers. Nobody to clean the toilets. Nobody who isn't a software zillionaire in a perfect, shining Galt's Gulch on the ocean.

> No more fast-food workers. Nobody to clean the toilets.

If anybody paid attention to how a market works, one would realise, that these workers would start getting SWdev-like salaries.

Re: If San Francisco is so great, why is everyone I love leaving?

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Post by ummonk »

jtms wrote: post #123
ummonk wrote: post #64

The boomers did everything they could to construct the housing supply and ensure their children would be unable to afford to live near them. Hope they enjoy their blessed property values!

Did you mean constrict? So you feel that an entire generation of humans conspired against the well being of yours deliberately... just because? I think you might want to consider developing a more nuanced and less reductive view of things.

Yeah, meant constrict. Darn phone keyboard. They didn't conspire against my generation just because. They conspired to increase property values. The fact that my generation (excepting the few of us with elite tech company compensation) can't afford those increased property values is just an inevitable side effect of that.

Re: If San Francisco is so great, why is everyone I love leaving?

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Post by guelo »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #86
simook wrote: post #61

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As exciting as this is to see. It's hard for me to watch Portland change into a different city. I think the hardest aspect right now is the amount of trash that is being thrown aside in the roads, parks, and greenways. I was born and raised in this area and it's been tough for me to witness this beautiful city being treated that way. If you want to help clean up Portland, I strongly recommend volunteering with the SO…

> As exciting as this is to see. It's hard for me to watch Portland change into a different city. It was going to change into a different city either way. The only thing you get to control is what kind of different city: one where, per the article, "only programmers can afford to live alone," or one where everyone can, but it's much more dense?

As if the tsunami of people is a force of nature. It's not. The one thing we're not allowed to talk under capitalism. The job creators must have maximum "freedom". More jobs, of any kind, are always good, right?

Re: If San Francisco is so great, why is everyone I love leaving?

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

guelo wrote: post #173
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #86

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> As exciting as this is to see. It's hard for me to watch Portland change into a different city. It was going to change into a different city either way. The only thing you get to control is what kind of different city: one where, per the article, "only programmers can afford to live alone," or one where everyone can, but it's much more dense?

As if the tsunami of people is a force of nature. It's not. The one thing we're not allowed to talk under capitalism. The job creators must have maximum "freedom". More jobs, of any kind, are always good, right?

If the notion is that we're going to restrict where companies can office, this seems like a bit of wishful thinking, and possibly difficult to implement under the US constitution. It's a subject that doesn't get much discussion because there's not a foreseeable political regime where any policy to change the status quo on this front would be likely to be implemented.

Re: If San Francisco is so great, why is everyone I love leaving?

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Post by davidw »

ido wrote: post #170
davidw wrote: post #96

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What's odd is that you talk to people in the following places who are convinced that an "unlimited" number of people want to live in their area: * The bay area * Boulder * Austin * Portland * Seattle And so on and so forth - and even right here in Bend, Oregon! I have a suspicion that everyone wanting to live in all those places probably isn't actually true.

There has been a general flocking back into the cities in the last ±20 years. I don't know about Bend but all other cities you mentioned are desirable urban hotspots with (relatively) plenty of attractive jobs. I find it very easy to imagine the supply of people interested in moving to all of them outstrips supply by so much as to practically be indistinguishable from unlimited. There really are a lot of people aroun…

Except for the fact that when you start looking at data instead of imagining, it turns out that it's possible to provide enough supply:

https://oregoneconomicanalysis.com/2019/01/29/oregons-housin...

Housing in Portland is catching up to demand and rents are leveling off.

Seattle is seeing something similar. The bay area is not, because they fight housing tooth and nail.

Re: If San Francisco is so great, why is everyone I love leaving?

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Post by vonmoltke »

pfooti wrote: post #130
rdiddly wrote: post #121

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If you and yours are vaccinated, what would that matter?

Babies cannot be vaccinated for a while and therefore benefit from herd immunity. Furthermore, that herd immunity benefits you if your immunization wears off before your scheduled booster shots. And everyone remembers to get their mmr booster every seven years, right?

What booster? The CDC makes no mention of one[1], and my understanding has always been that the childhood course is lifetime.

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/mmr/public/index.html

Re: If San Francisco is so great, why is everyone I love leaving?

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Post by simonebrunozzi »

pmoriarty wrote: post #99
davidw wrote: post #66

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I definitely hope we can keep Oregon 'green'! > I hope Portland will continue to be a beautiful city for my children to enjoy. To bring it back to housing, Portland might be a place your children can enjoy because they could actually afford to live there, unlike much of the bay area.

I seriously considered moving to Portland, until I read articles like this one[1] which predicted that Portland would basically be destroyed in a major earthquake. [1] - https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big...

And what about "the big one" earthquake expected in California in the coming decades?

Re: If San Francisco is so great, why is everyone I love leaving?

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Post by chaostheory »

rdiddly wrote: post #121
chaostheory wrote: post #83

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Would love to move to the northwest, but the low vaccination rate makes us think twice

If you and yours are vaccinated, what would that matter?

I'm not going to repeat what others have commented. They're right. Another issue for me is culture. While I love US northwestern culture, I need to live in a culture that values science and scientific thinking based on data. This is one thing that is non-negotiable for me.
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