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Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year parental leaves

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Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year parental leaves

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> [heading] How do they manage in Canada?

> In Canada, companies have had no option but to make 52-week parental leaves work, when requested, since 2000. The question Canadian companies ask isn’t “Can we do it?” but “How do we do it?”

Okay, so... how do they do it? They never answer the question.

If you have say, a CFO or a specialist mechanic (that you only need 1 of, but definitely need) and they take a year off, what do you do? Just go without a CFO/mechanic for the year? Or do you start the hiring search, bring in another person as a temp CFO for a year? What if you can't find a temp, so you hire someone? Is the person entitled to their old job back? Do you fire the new person or the old one?

What if the person takes parental leave again after 1 month back? Do you accept that you've torpedoed some role? Do you try to slowly phase out this person's job description and offload their work onto their coworkers?

More succinctly, what if someone is definitely necessary in the near-day-to-day, and does not do work that is interchangeable with other employees?

I'm not trying to make some kind of gotcha. I really don't know the answer, and I figured the article would answer what seem like extremely obvious questions that arise, but it didn't.

I suspect that firms have learned to deal with it, but by doing things like passively selecting against women and younger people for critical roles. Is that how they manage? Is that an improvement?

There's also something unsettling about "here's how [countries where the native birth rate is pretty much 0 or 1 babies] do parental leave!" feels a bit like... the women already did half the corporation's work for them.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year parental leaves

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“How do other countries do it?” Well it’s not an employer deciding whether it’s done so organizations just deal with it. And yes it does give effects that last years and disrupt organizations three layers deep. But it happens to all organizations, so it’s not a competitive disadvantage.

Except on a global scale.

In Germany we have 12 months parental leave and it seems the country is doing quite well.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year parental leaves

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I’m not surprised. This is so different to how workplaces are usually run in the US that organizations, or society even, has no institutional memory on how to deal with it. In Sweden, where 400+ days of parental leave has been mandatory for years organization have adapted and learned patterns and ways to deal with people dissappearing for around a year. It’s a shame the Gates Foundation didn’t research this better be…

People aren't easily replaceable...especially high talent individuals. It's also a big burden for an organization to pay for non-productive workers. And if someone has several children in a row...then what? What are the limits?

Are you implying that someone will try to game the system by perpetually having children for a decade or more?

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year parental leaves

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> [heading] How do they manage in Canada? > In Canada, companies have had no option but to make 52-week parental leaves work, when requested, since 2000. The question Canadian companies ask isn’t “Can we do it?” but “How do we do it?” Okay, so... how do they do it? They never answer the question. If you have say, a CFO or a specialist mechanic (that you only need 1 of, but definitely need) and they take a year off, w…

We hire interims or share responsibilities between other members of the team. It happens all the time and we rarely find an issue with this.

If any company is run in such a way that bus-factor means the company can't thrive with one person gone you're simply doing it wrong.

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post #3

I’m not surprised. This is so different to how workplaces are usually run in the US that organizations, or society even, has no institutional memory on how to deal with it. In Sweden, where 400+ days of parental leave has been mandatory for years organization have adapted and learned patterns and ways to deal with people dissappearing for around a year. It’s a shame the Gates Foundation didn’t research this better be…

People aren't easily replaceable...especially high talent individuals. It's also a big burden for an organization to pay for non-productive workers. And if someone has several children in a row...then what? What are the limits?

> It's also a big burden for an organization to pay for non-productive workers

That's absolutely true, but hopefully the government (or social security) pays for it. Same as for medical leave (in Slovenia, only after 30 days though - first month is paid by the employer). That way, the government is supporting entrepreneurship and small businesses, which would otherwise be disproportionally affected by a single person leaving (in a big company, the law of large numbers makes it easy to predict, and therefore manage, absences).

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year parental leaves

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> [heading] How do they manage in Canada? > In Canada, companies have had no option but to make 52-week parental leaves work, when requested, since 2000. The question Canadian companies ask isn’t “Can we do it?” but “How do we do it?” Okay, so... how do they do it? They never answer the question. If you have say, a CFO or a specialist mechanic (that you only need 1 of, but definitely need) and they take a year off, w…

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Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year parental leaves

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post #3

I’m not surprised. This is so different to how workplaces are usually run in the US that organizations, or society even, has no institutional memory on how to deal with it. In Sweden, where 400+ days of parental leave has been mandatory for years organization have adapted and learned patterns and ways to deal with people dissappearing for around a year. It’s a shame the Gates Foundation didn’t research this better be…

Yeah, but in Sweden, it's not a huge deal if the person that makes the Ikea meatballs takes a year off

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year parental leaves

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“How do other countries do it?” Well it’s not an employer deciding whether it’s done so organizations just deal with it. And yes it does give effects that last years and disrupt organizations three layers deep. But it happens to all organizations, so it’s not a competitive disadvantage.

Except on a global scale.

Yes. But the long term and macro benefits also impact on a global scale.

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post #3

I’m not surprised. This is so different to how workplaces are usually run in the US that organizations, or society even, has no institutional memory on how to deal with it. In Sweden, where 400+ days of parental leave has been mandatory for years organization have adapted and learned patterns and ways to deal with people dissappearing for around a year. It’s a shame the Gates Foundation didn’t research this better be…

People aren't easily replaceable...especially high talent individuals. It's also a big burden for an organization to pay for non-productive workers. And if someone has several children in a row...then what? What are the limits?

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Re: Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation backtracks on one-year parental leaves

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post #2

“How do other countries do it?” Well it’s not an employer deciding whether it’s done so organizations just deal with it. And yes it does give effects that last years and disrupt organizations three layers deep. But it happens to all organizations, so it’s not a competitive disadvantage.

Except on a global scale.

That's why I'm opposed to free trade and want fair trade instead. Like, it's not wrong for e.g. EU to impose a tax on products/services produced by companies abroad that have much less strict environmental/employment laws.
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