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You are training it to better translate scanned books for Google Books. That's where the samples come from. They are words from actual books that Google isn't sure about. Stop messing up Google Books, please.
As far as I know, reCaptcha stopped being used for books a long time ago. It's now used to improve Google's mapping data instead.
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No, I don't enjoy Google Books, but that's really not the point. If that's what I'm helping you do then tell me that and let me opt-in. Maybe I want to contribute. But, don't instead throw up a road-block to the service I'm actually trying to consume, under the guise of providing that service, then double my required effort to help you provide some other service. It's actually implemented as a dark pattern. If you wa…
Google isn't providing a service to you, they are providing a service to the site that uses the captcha. And they haven't put any roadblocks, the site did - by installing a captcha. You should complain to the site that decided to offload their captcha costs to you.
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Google isn't providing a service to you, they are providing a service to the site that uses the captcha. And they haven't put any roadblocks, the site did - by installing a captcha. You should complain to the site that decided to offload their captcha costs to you.
Fair point. But, does Google have any culpability here, as the service provider?
Your relationship is with the site, and so it should be their responsibility to inform you of the "bill" you'll have to pay to Google for using the site's captcha-protected services.
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Fair point. But, does Google have any culpability here, as the service provider?
I don't see why they would. If some delivery service had an expensive pay-on-delivery model, and some ecommerce site decided to use it, but didn't tell you (the buyer) that they did, and so you got a surprising shipping bill on receiving the product, would you blame the delivery service? Your relationship is with the site, and so it should be their responsibility to inform you of the "bill" you'll have to pay to Goog…
And, Google is definitely employing a dark pattern here. This is designed to be a stealth tax, to go largely unnoticed by anyone, including the site operator.
Even Google's selling of the product doesn't make clear that users will be doing additional work; instead suggesting that saving the world will be a by-product of a normal captcha process. [0]
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I don't see why they would. If some delivery service had an expensive pay-on-delivery model, and some ecommerce site decided to use it, but didn't tell you (the buyer) that they did, and so you got a surprising shipping bill on receiving the product, would you blame the delivery service? Your relationship is with the site, and so it should be their responsibility to inform you of the "bill" you'll have to pay to Goog…
The analogy doesn't hold. For this argument to be valid, we'd have to pretend that dark patterns don't exist. And, Google is definitely employing a dark pattern here. This is designed to be a stealth tax, to go largely unnoticed by anyone, including the site operator. Even Google's selling of the product doesn't make clear that users will be doing additional work; instead suggesting that saving the world will be a by…
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The reason websites are CAPTCHA laden is because they want to make it harder for people to legally scrape their sites. For this reason, you'll be hard pressed to convince the owner of a site with a login CAPTCHA to remove it.
I think that stems from flawed security models. CAPTCHAs are trivial to bypass, and scrapers can keep their session cookies to never see the login challenge again. Regular users are the ones suffering from CAPTCHAs on login forms, not scrapers.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4307136
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It's using you as human labor to label data. That's why you have to solve multiple. It's annoying but greatly helps accelerate research and development since data is king.
If this is so, how does it know when I've mis-labeled?