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Journalism generated by machine is on the rise

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Re: Journalism generated by machine is on the rise

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Just like HackerNews comments. Somewhat seriously, I know someone out there is posting AI generated HN comments and testing it here. With the proper timing/rates/etc... it wouldn't be hard to avoid easy detection. I don't have specific accounts in mind, but I have a hard time believing no-one is trying it out (given the overlap of HN with AI enthusiasts). So the real question is: can anyone detect the AI comments?

Interesting! Please tell me more about the can anyone detect the AI comments?

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I'm a former journalist and spent the first 10 years of my career at various magazines and newspapers.

About eight years ago, I landed my first full-time software development job in part because of a walkthrough I gave during my in-person interview process of a tool I'd developed while working for a metro daily newspaper. It wrote lottery results stories with the click of a button.

Writing those results stories was a daily chore. We would look up the state's daily lottery results and also report Powerball and Mega Millions results. For those larger lotteries, we'd also adjust our headlines depending on whether there was a big winner in our state. But aside from that, it was just tedious and formulaic, so I wrote a script that would hit the various lottery sites, scrape the data, and generate a two- or three-paragraph story that was ready to post. It took the task down from five minutes to five seconds. (I later worked on a similar tool for generating short weather reports and alerts.)

Since then, I've worked on other NLG stuff, and honestly, it's pretty hard, and the topic really has to be data-driven to begin with; we're probably decades away from really insightful NLG that offers "why" explanations, as opposed to "what" or "how" descriptions.

The other tough challenge about computer-generated journalism is that getting the data is often the hardest part of the process. Oh, sure, businesses are going to release their quarterly earnings reports, and sports teams are going to release their game data. You might even use computer-assisted reporting to generate FOIA requests for data that governments are required by law to release upon request. But you're not going to write a story that leads to Nixon's resignation or Enron's collapse simply by asking for the data.

Re: Journalism generated by machine is on the rise

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Is AI the death of human creativity? Assisted AI apparently now designs our cars and our planes, designs our logos, designs our buildings, generates our music. More significantly, un-assisted AI curates what we are exposed to in the form of what's shown to us in our feeds and suggestions, and judging by the articles in OP, already is capable of writing articles for us. AI voices and news casters seem to be getting be…

This is like the argument that photographs are the death of art. Turns out they didn't even kill figurative art.

Re: Journalism generated by machine is on the rise

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post #8

Just like HackerNews comments. Somewhat seriously, I know someone out there is posting AI generated HN comments and testing it here. With the proper timing/rates/etc... it wouldn't be hard to avoid easy detection. I don't have specific accounts in mind, but I have a hard time believing no-one is trying it out (given the overlap of HN with AI enthusiasts). So the real question is: can anyone detect the AI comments?

The thing of it is I wonder if we, really, have a distinction.[b]

As this[1] article puts it: 'And it also illustrated how much people tend to anthropomorphize AI, believing that it has deep-seated beliefs rather than seeing it as a statistical machine.'

But, really, have we proved there is anything to such romantic or spiritual notions about human beings, or are we just 'statistical machines'?

Anyway, my test for an AI-generated comment: determine a measure for 'sensicalness', the higher the score (aka, more sensical) the higher the probability of non-human origin.

[1]https://www.technologyreview.com/s/610634/microsofts-neo-naz...

[b] Really, I think our definition of human comes not from the mind but from the body. That's always the definition we deploy, whether it's for or against racism or abortion or...anything else, really. Even a brain in a jar is still defined in terms of being a brain in a jar. This is probably why the internet, as was known before, will go away, will cede to the 'video-sphere', when we invented writing, (such as this message) we divorced the content from human embodiment, so we could never be sure, even all the way back then, if we were looking at something composed by man or gods or...anything.

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My side project is a local news outlet for two small cities near me. They are small enough cities that I am the only game in town when it comes to digital media, the only competitor is the local newspaper who has no online presence. Plenty of our stories are actual news articles talking about local politics and new businesses/restaurants and local interest type stuff, all written by humans. But filling in the gaps is…

Id be really interested in your technical approach to this. How did you implement this in a high level?

The core of it is a decision tree tied to a pretty in-depth database that either knows everything about the city or seeks to learn everything about the city. The system reads an event on the calendar that says "Van Halen is playing at American Brew Pub on February 12th at 7pm" and starts running running through the decision tree pulling information out of the database to fill in the blanks on the phrases it's picked.

Then it strings them all together to write something that looks something like:

>Do you have plans on Tuesday? Well now you do! Van Halen is playing at American Brewpub at 7pm! Van Halen is a local rock band that we love. They have been to our city before, but they played at Next Door Music Venue (link to the previous article for Van Halen at Next Door). This time they're playing at our favorite brewery, so you can watch the show while drinking Local IPA! Tickets are required, and you can purchase them here (link to tickets). We'll see you there!

People love these articles but they're not super fun to write every day (sometimes twice a day for the two cities), it's just routine stuff.

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post #11
post #8

Just like HackerNews comments. Somewhat seriously, I know someone out there is posting AI generated HN comments and testing it here. With the proper timing/rates/etc... it wouldn't be hard to avoid easy detection. I don't have specific accounts in mind, but I have a hard time believing no-one is trying it out (given the overlap of HN with AI enthusiasts). So the real question is: can anyone detect the AI comments?

Interesting! Please tell me more about the can anyone detect the AI comments?

Naw, doesn't work. There aren't enough HN posts that declare something interesting and asks for more information. You need an AI that explains why anyone can detect the AI comments is a broken idea that will never work and also sucks.

Re: Journalism generated by machine is on the rise

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post #8

Just like HackerNews comments. Somewhat seriously, I know someone out there is posting AI generated HN comments and testing it here. With the proper timing/rates/etc... it wouldn't be hard to avoid easy detection. I don't have specific accounts in mind, but I have a hard time believing no-one is trying it out (given the overlap of HN with AI enthusiasts). So the real question is: can anyone detect the AI comments?

Check out Reddit's Subreddit Simulator (https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditSimulator/). It's a fully-automated subreddit where only bots can post, and everyone makes their own bot to post automatically generated comments.

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It's worth asking whether "thousands of articles on company earnings reports each quarter" constitutes journalism.

I think the obvious answer is "if it can be done by a machine today, it's not journalism". It's stuff that journalists are expected to do, but it's busy work that takes time away from actual journalism.

Yeah I would assume that there are some interesting stories hidden in the earnings reports, but your typical regurgitated press release style "article" is about the least useful way of presenting the data I can think of.

I hope the financial reporters (or whatever they're called) would be free to do more digging into anomalies, and have more help spotting those anomalies, thanks to software.

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It's worth asking whether "thousands of articles on company earnings reports each quarter" constitutes journalism.

I'd call it reporting rather than journalism but that isn't based on anything other than how I think about the two things. One is a mechanical regurgitation and the other requires some thought to make connections or inferences.

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Is AI the death of human creativity? Assisted AI apparently now designs our cars and our planes, designs our logos, designs our buildings, generates our music. More significantly, un-assisted AI curates what we are exposed to in the form of what's shown to us in our feeds and suggestions, and judging by the articles in OP, already is capable of writing articles for us. AI voices and news casters seem to be getting be…

I think we'll see an explosion in AI created works, and then a countermovement to only consume things crafted by humans. Sort of like what we've been seeing with "organic" foods but for music, art, and news.
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