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Stop Reading News (2013)

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Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

#111
After spending well over two years all over Africa (and previously 2 year all over Latin America) I've come to the conclusion that "news" today is no such thing.

What is sold as "news" today is just whatever dramatic world events some producer thinks will get ratings which is important so they can keep their job.

In no way does it give people a well-rounded or informed position about anything as the word "news" implies.

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

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post #6

For the last 4-5 years, Hacker News has been pretty much my only source of any kind of news outside of the topics that I work with on a daily basis. This is true. Before that, I did not read newspapers or follow any kind of journalism. I still recall being around age 12 or 13 and making a conscious decision not to watch TV anymore. It has been around just as much time since I last saw a TV news report. Maybe it has s…

> I think the new generation is caught up in quizzes that stir up emotions, and psychological tests that determine whether a giraffe is your spirit animal. Given the activism they're showing in, eg, the US, I think if you read the news, you'd be surprised how wrong you are. > How can anyone justify reading news that only talk about negative things? To be aware of them in order to help fix them?

How do you know what fixes are working if you only read negative things?

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

#113
post #99

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Have you heard of the Murray Gellmann Amnesia Effect? How do you know the source you are reading is trustworthy? I've witnessed the Murray Gellmann effect in my area of specialty which is mathematics. It makes me wonder about articles in areas outside of my specialty. I recently watched the Netflix documentary on the Fyre Festival. I also watched the one on Hulu. One of the documentaries was produced by a company inv…

The solution to biased or inaccurate sources isn't to consume no sources. It's to consume more than one source, preferably many. When you see the same story reported in 6 different ways, you start to notice patterns. You see that certain sources leave out crucial information, while others focus on those. You see headlines written in salacious forms, and sometimes you see a headline change during the course of the day…

Human memory is really bad at these kinds of subtle differences. You are just as likely to recall what seemed at the time obviously false information. This is why “stay on message” is the fallback plan when peddling bullshit, it works.

In the end you are much better off avoiding highly biased sources than trying to use them. This might change if you are doing a dissertation or something, but not for day to day stuff.

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

#114
post #96

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You seem to mean well, but your post is also a recipie for creating a personal bubble, no matter how well spoken.

The "bubble" expression I've only ever encountered used by people from a rightish perspective to complain that other people aren't listening to them and that their perspective isn't the completely dominant one. Whereas people of the opposite view always know what the opposing view is - it gets shouted at them a lot - they just don't agree with it. Anti-vaxers and flat-earthers might be called "bubbles", but then so i…

I've read enough flat Earth stuff to safely say I can reject it on its merits. Anti vax got started as a response to a series of industrial accidents that weren't handled right by the business side, but industrial accidents are rare so I think that's not sufficient reason to abandon vaccines entirely.

The only people you hear complain about bubbles are the people that are marginalized, if you agree with the bubble you will love every second of it and hate everyone outside. So, watch out before you speak in support of your bubble, that probably just means you are in the center.

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

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HN is a good filter. If it makes it to HN and happens in the real world then it probably is worth taking note. Regarding your choice not to watch TV at age 12-13, this reminds me of reading tabloid newspapers at that age or possibly earlier. It all seemed so much below me and for people that must be thick.

HN is NOT a good filter though it's better than some. Judging by the person's statement, he is around 18 years old. For all I know, so are you. And so are 80% of anonymous "news" sources posted here. Anonymous postings on the internet, no matter where, are the worst thing that has happened to civilization since anonymous reports to the police of wrongdoings of a neighbor.

non-anyomous postings are holding their own quite well.

google.com/search?q=whatsapp+massacre

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

#116
post #4

Ezra Taft Benson: "One must select wisely a source of news; otherwise it would be better to be uninformed than misinformed." My own view is that you should reduce consumption dramatically, but still read some publications. And realize that in software, we have our own form of “news” that this missive applies to. Here’s my media literacy guide: https://github.com/nemild/hack-the-media/blob/master/README.... And one ju…

Very cool. Thanks for sharing. FWIW sharing my primary global non-tech news source while we are at it: The Financial Times to me is all the important news without the fluff and very much worth the subscription price. Obviously there is a heavy focus on economic news (but not exclusively). I especially like the News Briefing which I can listen to conveniently with a "Hey Siri, play the FT News Briefing" while doing my…

FT is fine as far as it goes, but it ignores most of the world's news except for business/finance stuff and the same mostly-useless "headline" stories you see everywhere else. Unless all you care about is the finance markets, it doesn't have much to say that is important your life and the world.

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

#117
post #70

Do not stop reading news. Be selective with your sources. Be a discerning news consumer. An uninformed populace is a malleable one. Controlling and limiting information has long been a strategy for despots or worse. > The point is, most of what you read online today is pointless Don't read that then. Read sources you believe are important to you and deliver information that is important. Be a discerning news consumer…

I don't read news, don't use social media. I find it working fine. Although hacker news kind of works like a news source to me. I find almost everything in news noise now. Don't following any of that on purpose makes me feel calm. Now if there is something that I should really know, it comes to me. I meet people all the time and then they tell me if something important is going on. I don't have to go after news. I ad…

this is a fundamentally conservative to the point of bordering on reactionary practice. you have the privilege of not reading the news presumably because you're not a government worker so the shutdown didn't matter to you, and/or you're not a recipient of various aid programs so their cuts don't matter to you, etc etc. checking out is a luxury only the well off can afford.

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

#118

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I don't read news, don't use social media. I find it working fine. Although hacker news kind of works like a news source to me. I find almost everything in news noise now. Don't following any of that on purpose makes me feel calm. Now if there is something that I should really know, it comes to me. I meet people all the time and then they tell me if something important is going on. I don't have to go after news. I ad…

>I find almost everything in news noise now. Don't following any of that on purpose makes me feel calm. Yes, that's what ignorants do. It's easier to ignore what's happening around the world. Vietnam war could've gone longer had it not for the public to come out and tell the government to pull out of Vietnam. It's easier to ignore things and live a blissful life, but then you have the no right to complain when laws a…

Well I feel that following news for the sake of... following news ? is also very ignorant. Like people getting angry at stuff that they don't fully understand, is that reasonable ?

>but then you have the no right to complain when laws are passed that don't align to your values.

Who says that ever happens ?

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

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post #111

After spending well over two years all over Africa (and previously 2 year all over Latin America) I've come to the conclusion that "news" today is no such thing. What is sold as "news" today is just whatever dramatic world events some producer thinks will get ratings which is important so they can keep their job. In no way does it give people a well-rounded or informed position about anything as the word "news" impli…

Drop the "today", it's cleaner.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism

Re: Stop Reading News (2013)

#120
post #29

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Same. HN is the only stream of "news" I consume. And I kind of miss the older HN where non-tech "news" was immediately flagged to oblivion. So now I have to consciously skip irrelevant stuff (arguably like this one).

> (arguably like this one) Your comment shows how conscious you are while skipping "irrelevant" stuff.

Which was exactly my point. HN used to curate the content for me.
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