Matrix at FOSDEM 2019
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Re: Matrix at FOSDEM 2019
#42Here is where I am after jumping around the docs for 15 minutes. Can someone with more Matrix experience help?
So as of right now:
* Can I have one app on my iOS device that allows me to seamlessly message people on platforms like messenger and whatsapp and email? (Is there even one 30-60s video clip demo'ing Matrix?)
* Do I need to run my own server to get going? (Public servers are discouraged for auth'ing with my private messages, or that's not even implemented.)
* Can I just plop the docker onto a server and I'm done? I suspect I have to do something with the bridges, but how much?
* Overall, how long will it take me to get running and have satisfaction?
One an end note, I think this project has so much potential, and is potentially killing itself with its super-dev-focused information layout and messaging. We need to get non-technical end-users excited about this project!
Okay I'm going to gripe in my postscripts now:
p.s. This blog post makes the common release announcement mistake of not even telling you what the software does in the first few paragraphs.
p.p.s. "If you want to… Just get started! Then read… [Getting Involved [link]" Really? There's no end-user getting started page? It's a getting involved page where one option is to write my own server?
Re: Matrix at FOSDEM 2019
#43Okay, so this project sounds exciting. But it's really hard to figure out what is currently possible and how to get started. (I find this ironic for a project that is focused on improving communication.) Here is where I am after jumping around the docs for 15 minutes. Can someone with more Matrix experience help? So as of right now: * Can I have one app on my iOS device that allows me to seamlessly message people on…
Whatever you plan to use it for, those projects should have communities of people to help.
Re: Matrix at FOSDEM 2019
#44Okay, so this project sounds exciting. But it's really hard to figure out what is currently possible and how to get started. (I find this ironic for a project that is focused on improving communication.) Here is where I am after jumping around the docs for 15 minutes. Can someone with more Matrix experience help? So as of right now: * Can I have one app on my iOS device that allows me to seamlessly message people on…
You can also set up some very simple bridging from within the client that will connect a Matrix room to a room in Slack, Gitter, and IRC. It will basically mirror the contents of (say) a Slack room into a Matrix room and vice versa. This process is pretty much just point-and-click.
The less-simple case is if you want to do "puppet" bridging, where you can control your own Slack, Discord, iMessage, Hangouts, etc. user via Matrix. The people you talk to using those services won't actually know that you're using Matrix; it just sends messages as if they're coming from your account. To do that, you will need your own server and you'll need to run bridge servers. I didn't find it particularly hard to get Synapse (the reference server) up and running, and I don't have much experience with that kind of thing. The time consuming part for me was just learning how to get a TLS certificate and how to set up a reverse proxy in Apache.
Setting up the bridge servers is more of a mixed bag. They're all developed by the community and have differing levels of stability and polish. It will really depend on which ones you want to have set up.
Re: Matrix at FOSDEM 2019
#45While Matrix is very impressive in its ambition, in the end we went with rocket chat because it's more mature, and frankly a simpler stack is easier to wrap your head around and start making meaningful changes.
That said, I really hope this ends up being a useful protocol for interoperation between services. The potential is huge.
Re: Matrix at FOSDEM 2019
#46I have a Matrix homeserver running on an Odroid XU4 that sits under my TV. I also have bridge servers running for iMessage, Slack, and Hangouts (which includes Google Voice) that connect those services into Matrix. Being able to see and respond to all my messages from all those services while I'm ssh'd into a weechat client is surreal and amazing. Going back to tapping out messages on my phone in iMessage or opening…
...turns you back into a first class iMessage citizen. Meaning better security, more features, and a special color for the messages to signal all that to your recipients with an iphone.
Re: Matrix at FOSDEM 2019
#47While I'm very excited about the prospects for Matrix in 2019, the reality of client choice for end-to-end encrypted Matrix chat is currently disappointing compared to the potential it has. Someone on reddit gathered some data [1] about E2EE support a few months ago, and Debian maintain a wiki page [2] about their progress packaging Matrix-implementing applications. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/9avye…
I bear no ill-will towards the Matrix project, but this fact pattern (I knew about it in the abstract but hadn't seen it laid out like this) makes me actually angry about the people who have recommended Matrix as a replacement for the Signal Protocol messengers like Signal, WhatsApp, and Wire. Telling people to switch to Matrix from those is simply malpractice.
Re: Matrix at FOSDEM 2019
#48https://matrix.org/docs/guides/faq#which-matrix-clients-supp...
* Riot webpage claims their E2EE support is still in beta
* nheko links to a github repo that is apparently no longer maintained
Not sure about the SDK links. But I'd strongly suggest changing the text to a simple, "None yet." At least until you have stable, default E2EE in at least one client for a few releases.
Re: Matrix at FOSDEM 2019
#49I have a Matrix homeserver running on an Odroid XU4 that sits under my TV. I also have bridge servers running for iMessage, Slack, and Hangouts (which includes Google Voice) that connect those services into Matrix. Being able to see and respond to all my messages from all those services while I'm ssh'd into a weechat client is surreal and amazing. Going back to tapping out messages on my phone in iMessage or opening…
> Going back to tapping out messages on my phone in iMessage ...turns you back into a first class iMessage citizen. Meaning better security, more features, and a special color for the messages to signal all that to your recipients with an iphone.
If I'm understanding you correctly, are you suggesting that iMessages has a superior security protocol than Matrix?
Re: Matrix at FOSDEM 2019
#50While there are still some things that need improving, they're mostly just rough edges. All of my coworkers are at least semi-technical, so that makes things a little easier for us. At times, the key verification can be frustrating, but I think this is just a hard problem to solve in general.
As I began to use Matrix more, I realized that there's potential for Matrix to be much, much more than just a Slack/Mattermost/Rocket Chat killer. I could see this replacing texting, what's app, group chat for business and outside of work. I haven't tested much of the video chat or phone calling features, but if support for those become robust, I could see Matrix replacing almost every form of communication I currently have. That would be really excellent considering most of the communication channels I currently use are controlled by corporations I don't like and don't trust.
Following that line of thought, your Matrix address could become a universal point of contact. A Matrix address seems so much simpler than a phone number, and you don't have to worry about the fact that you may not be able to transfer numbers between carriers or something like that.
I have so much hope for this project. We need an open-source, encrypted, decentralized communications standard. This is the best and broadest attempt I've seen at this so far.