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Tech Is Splitting the U.S. Work Force in Two

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Re: Tech Is Splitting the U.S. Work Force in Two

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Post by dominotw »

shard972 wrote: post #11
jedberg wrote: post #2

There are two solutions: Part one, a more educated populace. Education will help those that can work in the "good jobs" get the good jobs. Part two, tax policy. Wealth needs to be redistributed so that there are masses to buy the products that the wealthy are creating. Edit: I just watched this post go up to 10 points, down to 3 and then back to 5. Clearly this is controversial. I find it interesting that wealth redi…

Isn't the first one basically "learn to code"?

Yes its now grounds for ban on twitter :D

Re: Tech Is Splitting the U.S. Work Force in Two

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Post by stale2002 »

g9yuayon wrote: post #5
jedberg wrote: post #2

There are two solutions: Part one, a more educated populace. Education will help those that can work in the "good jobs" get the good jobs. Part two, tax policy. Wealth needs to be redistributed so that there are masses to buy the products that the wealthy are creating. Edit: I just watched this post go up to 10 points, down to 3 and then back to 5. Clearly this is controversial. I find it interesting that wealth redi…

I highly doubt that education reform will come by any time soon. Studying STEM is not natural to many kids, yet the reality is that people in the US have been living comfortably for so long that they would rather give up teaching tough subjects for so-called children's happiness, or shit like no kids left behind. As a result, it is the ordinary kids, which is the majority middle, who will hurt -- they think they lear…

Fortunately, there are lots and lots of "technology" jobs that do not fit people's preconceived notions of what it means to be working in "STEM".

Think, things like being a designer, product manager, analyst, ect, ect, ect.

Even the job I do today, working as a web developer, is something that the "hardcore" programmers of 40 years ago, would likely look down on, as I do not fit into their traditional opinion, from 40 years ago, of what it means to work in STEM.

There will likely be more jobs like that in the future

Re: Tech Is Splitting the U.S. Work Force in Two

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Post by freehunter »

ipnon wrote: post #15
jedberg wrote: post #2

There are two solutions: Part one, a more educated populace. Education will help those that can work in the "good jobs" get the good jobs. Part two, tax policy. Wealth needs to be redistributed so that there are masses to buy the products that the wealthy are creating. Edit: I just watched this post go up to 10 points, down to 3 and then back to 5. Clearly this is controversial. I find it interesting that wealth redi…

If the average IQ of a STEM graduate is a standard deviation or more above average [0][1], then how does a more educated populace result in something besides the stratification we see today? STEM education can help a person get on the right side of the tech split, but the STEM education itself is already prohibitively difficult. [0] https://thetab.com/us/2017/04/10/which-major-has-highest-iq-... [1] http://www.randal…

Because IQ is not scientifically proven and is inherently flawed.

Re: Tech Is Splitting the U.S. Work Force in Two

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Post by mpweiher »

tlow wrote: post #16
g9yuayon wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I highly doubt that education reform will come by any time soon. Studying STEM is not natural to many kids, yet the reality is that people in the US have been living comfortably for so long that they would rather give up teaching tough subjects for so-called children's happiness, or shit like no kids left behind. As a result, it is the ordinary kids, which is the majority middle, who will hurt -- they think they lear…

>Studying STEM is not natural to many kids That is purely a systemic problem, there's no reason that it couldn't be natural. Also there's no support for you argument, its mere opinion and unsubstantiated conjecture based upon false premises, but stated like fact.

> That is purely a systemic problem

That's a bold claim. Evidence?

Re: Tech Is Splitting the U.S. Work Force in Two

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Post by whateveracct »

ipnon wrote: post #15
jedberg wrote: post #2

There are two solutions: Part one, a more educated populace. Education will help those that can work in the "good jobs" get the good jobs. Part two, tax policy. Wealth needs to be redistributed so that there are masses to buy the products that the wealthy are creating. Edit: I just watched this post go up to 10 points, down to 3 and then back to 5. Clearly this is controversial. I find it interesting that wealth redi…

If the average IQ of a STEM graduate is a standard deviation or more above average [0][1], then how does a more educated populace result in something besides the stratification we see today? STEM education can help a person get on the right side of the tech split, but the STEM education itself is already prohibitively difficult. [0] https://thetab.com/us/2017/04/10/which-major-has-highest-iq-... [1] http://www.randal…

You don't need to be special to do STEM work, but it's possible the attitude that you do is keeping us from learning how to better train the average person in it.

Re: Tech Is Splitting the U.S. Work Force in Two

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Post by Simon_says »

freehunter wrote: post #23
ipnon wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the average IQ of a STEM graduate is a standard deviation or more above average [0][1], then how does a more educated populace result in something besides the stratification we see today? STEM education can help a person get on the right side of the tech split, but the STEM education itself is already prohibitively difficult. [0] https://thetab.com/us/2017/04/10/which-major-has-highest-iq-... [1] http://www.randal…

Because IQ is not scientifically proven and is inherently flawed.

That's Fake News.

Re: Tech Is Splitting the U.S. Work Force in Two

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Post by toomanybeersies »

The problem is that as a society we believe that people need to work 40 hours a week to survive.

We replace people with robots and retain the same output. We are more productive than ever before, yet work the same amount. Physical and uneducated work is being replaced by automation, yet we expect these people replaced by robots to find jobs to survive where there are now none.

I don't believe in Universal Basic Income though, we live in a society and it is our duty to contribute to that society. I think the answer is that we need to move towards a shorter workday. Raise wages and shorten work hours. People used to work 12 hours a day, now we work 8, why not move to a 6 hour workday? Eventually we may move into a post-scarcity society where all our basic needs are automated and work becomes an optional extra, but we're not at that point yet.

Re: Tech Is Splitting the U.S. Work Force in Two

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Post by philwelch »

jedberg wrote: post #2

There are two solutions: Part one, a more educated populace. Education will help those that can work in the "good jobs" get the good jobs. Part two, tax policy. Wealth needs to be redistributed so that there are masses to buy the products that the wealthy are creating. Edit: I just watched this post go up to 10 points, down to 3 and then back to 5. Clearly this is controversial. I find it interesting that wealth redi…

Education is part of the problem, though. What people need are marketable skills, and most of those aren’t taught in higher education.

What we need to stop doing is putting young adults 5-6 figures in debt with no marketable skills.

Re: Tech Is Splitting the U.S. Work Force in Two

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Post by president »

I honestly don't think there is a solution here. There will always be a large percentage of the population that don't have the motivation or capacity to learn the skills required to get "good jobs". Unless top earners are willing to sacrifice (tax reform, charity, etc), which is extremely unlikely given human nature, others will need to scrape by with low paying menial jobs. That's how it's always been.

Re: Tech Is Splitting the U.S. Work Force in Two

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Post by g9yuayon »

tlow wrote: post #16
g9yuayon wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I highly doubt that education reform will come by any time soon. Studying STEM is not natural to many kids, yet the reality is that people in the US have been living comfortably for so long that they would rather give up teaching tough subjects for so-called children's happiness, or shit like no kids left behind. As a result, it is the ordinary kids, which is the majority middle, who will hurt -- they think they lear…

>Studying STEM is not natural to many kids That is purely a systemic problem, there's no reason that it couldn't be natural. Also there's no support for you argument, its mere opinion and unsubstantiated conjecture based upon false premises, but stated like fact.

Unnatural in the sense of "Young man, in mathematics you don't understand things. You just get used to them". Or in the general sense of science, you work hard to get intuition that is against what you get from your daily experience, such as feather and iron ball fall at the speed in vacuum, electrons interact with electronic field, there exist functions that are continuous everywhere but not derivative anywhere, light of spped is constant in all reference frames, or simply high school algebra is really simple (and has been watered down for years) and most of kids should have no excuse not to excel at it.
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