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Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook

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Re: Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook

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if such things are meant to be monopolistic, then the state should manage it.

You want the state in charge of managing communications between friends and family members?

Yes, in the same way they had to bust Ma Bell for the same damned reasons we’re seeing again. Let the state be the dumb pipe or at least ensure that the pipes stay dumb. It’s not perfect, but it’s better than the alternative.

Re: Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook

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if such things are meant to be monopolistic, then the state should manage it.

You want the state in charge of managing communications between friends and family members?

The state already unofficially manages, manipulates, and spies on communication.

Re: Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook

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if such things are meant to be monopolistic, then the state should manage it.

You want the state in charge of managing communications between friends and family members?

Rather than private corporations who turn around and exploit private communications between friends and family members for maximum profit? Yes.

The state could abuse its power: companies do abuse their power, because to do otherwise would reduce shareholder profits.

Re: Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook

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Would trust-busting do any good? The main reason no practical alternatives to Facebook exist is the network effect. The main reason that competitors to Google don't do well is that people will just use the search engine that returns the most relevant results (unless your internet connection is censored). The only practical solution is regulating ethical behavior of these incomprehensibly powerful corporations.

The main reason for that is because they have been allowed to build a walled garden. Interoperable protocols would allow other companies to innovate on an equal playing field. Indeed if we follow the Bell example, the networked platform could be forced to be separate from those who profit off of it.

Can you name some successful interoperable protocols used by social networks that allow for meaningful innovation and updates? All I can think of is Agora* (which no one uses) and IRC (which hasn't added nontrivial features in a very, very long time).

Re: Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook

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As talked about in this article, I think the main catalyst to increased anti-trust scrunity will be a mind shift away from the "consumer welfare" view of anti-trust. For the most part, big tech companies provide amazing service. I can't think of another industry that has a product as good as the tech companies of today have. Yes there may be some fakes on Amazon, and DDG in some use cases may be better than Google, b…

I was just watching an interview between Scott Galloway and Richard Kramer discussing if the big 4 will be broken up. An insight I hadn't heard before was that anti-trust in the US is based on consumer harm, and since consumers get services from these companies for free, by this measure there can't be consumer harm. However, if you consider the advertisers (who are actually funding everything) are the consumers, they are being significantly harmed by the lack of competition. An advertiser has essentially no choice, if they wish to reach consumers online they have to deal with the big 4 on their terms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD7LyAJWkZ0

Re: Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook

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Would trust-busting do any good? The main reason no practical alternatives to Facebook exist is the network effect. The main reason that competitors to Google don't do well is that people will just use the search engine that returns the most relevant results (unless your internet connection is censored). The only practical solution is regulating ethical behavior of these incomprehensibly powerful corporations.

One could argue that the level of data this network effect allows businesses to collect allows them to create a trust around advertising, which is in some sense true.

Re: Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook

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Would trust-busting do any good? The main reason no practical alternatives to Facebook exist is the network effect. The main reason that competitors to Google don't do well is that people will just use the search engine that returns the most relevant results (unless your internet connection is censored). The only practical solution is regulating ethical behavior of these incomprehensibly powerful corporations.

> The main reason no practical alternatives to Facebook exist is the network effect.

You could just split Google in half into Goo and Gle and force them to publish protocols their services use so they can share the network. This could also allow smaller players to join the network.

At the beginning you could bounce people going to google.com at random to goo.com or gle.com until they start prefering one or the other for whatever reason and go there directly.

And who knows ... maybe at some point Gle could attract more users by being more precise and less intrusive with their ads.

Until there is one Google, there is one strategy that can be tried at one time. This harms progress.

Re: Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook

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if such things are meant to be monopolistic, then the state should manage it.

You want the state in charge of managing communications between friends and family members?

I want the state to specify restrictions on how companies can use the data transmitted in private messages on social networks.

Re: Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook

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As talked about in this article, I think the main catalyst to increased anti-trust scrunity will be a mind shift away from the "consumer welfare" view of anti-trust. For the most part, big tech companies provide amazing service. I can't think of another industry that has a product as good as the tech companies of today have. Yes there may be some fakes on Amazon, and DDG in some use cases may be better than Google, b…

You can keep consumer welfare as the highest goal, as long as you consider that long-term consumer welfare includes a robustly competing marketplace with low barriers to entry, and nearly always requires periodice regulation in the long-term public interest.

Re: Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook

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if such things are meant to be monopolistic, then the state should manage it.

You want the state in charge of managing communications between friends and family members?

The state already has extremely heavy involvement in management of the telephone system. There is plenty of precedent for this being generally benevolent authority.
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