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Yes. If you break your leg, that's an injury, and you see a doctor. If you get pneumonia, you're sick and you need antibiotics. But if your brain isn't working right that's a moral failure.
>But if your brain isn't working right that's a moral failure. See? That's that shit - right there - that makes mental health so stigmatised that people won't seek help.
If You're Often Angry or Irritable, You May Be Depressed
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Except we're supposed to be intelligent. Early on in my life I felt something, I never get angry at nature, no matter harmful, but disappointment by other beings hurts deeply. Nature doesn't pretend to choose, it just is. That made me a lot more at ease with objects than people.
Intelligent and ethical are orthogonal categories. Intelligence does not stop greed, hate nor pleasure from mistreating others. They just makes such people more effective.
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People are constantly constructing internal narratives to explain their actions. From the perspective of the narrator, with a life’s worth of context, those actions fit into the narrative in a perfectly logical way. From the perspective of others who lack that context, those actions can seem illogical. Maybe you really are more logical than the people around you, but on the other hand you can’t read minds - maybe you…
I'm willing to share my reasoning and logic with anybody who asks, and will refine it if it lacks clarity. I enjoy having my logic tuned by other minds; it makes me even MORE logical to be challenged, even if it hurts my pride in the short-term. Others are not so open and don't want their thinking process challenged. I don't know why, other than pride, ego, or office politics. If you know why, please tell me. Don't b…
It’s rarely productive to ask someone that was wrong, why did you do that? You may have steel skin, but for most people, that feels like an attack. The person you’re questioning can perceive in your body language and tone of voice the “he’s just another illogical idiot” thought that’s running through your mind. The basic instinct when faced with an attack is fight or flight. Productive adult humans have usually learned that diffusing conflict by disengaging works better than fighting back. This means that you are unlikely to get the answer that you are looking for.
This doesn’t mean you can’t question people and find out why they do what they do! The importing thing is to be nice about it.
Don’t think: I wonder if this illogical idiot can come up with an explanation for his bullshit?
Think: It seems like this thing X Bob made contributed to a problem with thing Y and that’s making me angry at Bob - but I bet Bob thought a lot about thing X when he made it, but he didn’t think about thing Y, and now he knows thing Y is broken and he feels guilty about it. Why don’t I ask him about what he likes about working on X so I can appreciate the good ideas he had, and maybe tell him a little about what I like about how Y works so he knows not to break it next time.
Communication is hard. It requires two brains that are full of different memories and habits to sync with one another. You really have to want to understand the other person. I’d go further and say you need to care about them, and know what they care about, for your interactions with them to make sense and be satisfying for the both of you. I’ve found that intentionally caring about the people around me improves my relationships with those people and makes life more enjoyable.
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#204(I was in the middle of almost getting fired over a dress code violation as entry level retail)
I don't know if the help has really helped over the long term but recognizing that incandescent rage at people saying 'good morning' to me as a sign of an incoming down swing has at least helped me keep an eye on myself.
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#205This was precisely my wife's symptoms when we were first married. She was angry nearly all the time. She could hold it together in public, but at home it was miserable. She would go a full day at a time, alternatively not speaking, stomping around and throwing things, and yelling. It took a long time for her to be correctly diagnosed. It wasn't clear to me that depression was the issue, because as discussed in the ar…
I believe strongly that we ought to aim for positivity and if we recognize something's not right, acknowledge it, and don't accept it as an absolute unquestionable reality.
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#206I'm curious, has anyone else experienced this and found success with cutting out caffeine?
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#207The more you know about the world and tech especially, the more you will get depressed, IMO, maybe I'm wrong. Humans in general are pretty shitty, driven mostly by self-interest. I guess there are people driven by doing good but most people are capable of doing terrible things, especially when in a group. I do suffer from existential depression, I'm generally pretty happy, but as I learn more and live longer my outlo…
Every day I see people behaving in shitty ways, not giving any consideration for the people around them or the place that they live. It's like the tragedy of the commons pervades every public space in a city. Nobody feels ownership, nobody cares, nobody feels responsibility for their actions.
I'm glad to see kids in school are not being brought up to be as rotten as my classmates, and from listening to my parents they seem to say the same in turn. My grandparents say little about their experience, save for hints of savagery. Things are improving, albeit slowly.
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#208This was precisely my wife's symptoms when we were first married. She was angry nearly all the time. She could hold it together in public, but at home it was miserable. She would go a full day at a time, alternatively not speaking, stomping around and throwing things, and yelling. It took a long time for her to be correctly diagnosed. It wasn't clear to me that depression was the issue, because as discussed in the ar…
One thing I learned on my own is that it's very easy to lose track of what 'normal' is. You slip slowly into different spectrum of emotions without really knowing why. When your mind is not at peace, stress/struggle will leak out in any shape be it anger, negativity, somatic onset (psoriasis, spasms) .. I believe strongly that we ought to aim for positivity and if we recognize something's not right, acknowledge it, a…
It's not just that you lose track of normal, although that is certainly true. But it's also that you can't trust your own sensory perceptions. You are viewing the world through distorting lenses.
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#209Assuming a product person ( e.g Steve Jobs ) is easily Angry and Irritable with crap ( Which there are lots of it ), would that considered as depressed? Where do we draw a line where some body just have very high standard to everything ( Perfectionist ) or they actually have bipolar disorder.
Maybe, but not necessarily. Just like how being sad doesn't necessarily mean you are depressed. It is feasible Jobs could have improved his day to day life and handled his anger better by seeing a mental health professional, but it would be irresponsible to have armchair psychologists posthumously diagnose him with something.
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#210The more you know about the world and tech especially, the more you will get depressed, IMO, maybe I'm wrong. Humans in general are pretty shitty, driven mostly by self-interest. I guess there are people driven by doing good but most people are capable of doing terrible things, especially when in a group. I do suffer from existential depression, I'm generally pretty happy, but as I learn more and live longer my outlo…
In my head I refer to this perspective as "this toilet earth". And it's easy to get swept away by it. The antidote is in your own heart, and in the hearts of all people. An unselfish, hidden act of love. Taking actions that align with what we commonly understand to be good, kind and unselfish have literally changed the way I think and the way I see (most of the time, right?). I could never think myself into acceptanc…