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Ask HN: Why is it easier to get a raise with a new job?

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Re: Ask HN: Why is it easier to get a raise with a new job?

#61
I would say it is about incentives.

If hiring manager is 'graded's on number of people hired, usually has a decent budget that might dissappear every new fiscal year, and they want to hire you, they will be willing to negotiate :)

On the other hand, your manager might operate on assumptions that you either won't leave because of your pay and if you'd leave you would have left even after you receive a raise.

Re: Ask HN: Why is it easier to get a raise with a new job?

#62
Because for many employers, they live under the false pretense that not giving you a raise is saving them money. Granted, it works most if the time. Most people stick around out of complacency or even inability to get a new job. This makes it so that the employer has absolutely no incentive to proactively give raises. You really must force their hands. This is why I don't believe in the stigma around job hopping. It makes no sense why anyone believes that being loyal to a company is in their best interest. Every 2-3 years make sure you are putting yourself on the market to test how much you're worth.

Re: Ask HN: Why is it easier to get a raise with a new job?

#63

Equity compensation is both the cause and solution to this, I think. Newer employees are favored on a cash salary basis, but older ones have lower option strikes and/or larger equity grants. Roughly speaking, any new equity grant from a company your parents haven't heard of is worth $0 when you join. If your employer is successful, these grants become worth actual money, and that is your effective raise. If not, then…

> any new equity grant from a company your parents haven't heard of is worth $0 when you join. There are companies that give sizable equity grants that your parents have never heard of. Equity you could see on a public market that's worth more than $0.

oh of course publicly traded equity has value, just "parents have heard of them" is roughly the threshold for private companies whose stock is illiquid.

Re: Ask HN: Why is it easier to get a raise with a new job?

#64

I got an offer for 150% of my current salary and a senior title. I declined because it didn't match where I want my career to develop. any way to leverage this in my current job? I'd have to disclose that I was flirting with others...

well, you should be going to interviews anyway right? i would just mention that you do interviews with competitors to see what level of skill and employment they would offer. you aren't holding them over a barrel, but just make it known you know your worth? sorry if my advice isn't as formed as it should be. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacquelynsmith/2012/10/26/the-d...

Sure I should, but if I say something about it I'd have to double-coat it in sugar so they don't start looking for a replacement or stop investing in me.

I might move away and look for a new job. If I don't I can tell them the I'll stay in town but started checking my market value and need an adjustment :)

Re: Ask HN: Why is it easier to get a raise with a new job?

#65
Maybe its the same reason why Phone, Cable, power, real estate companies give better offers to new customers. Once they have you they think you will fall into a routine and not look for a new jobs. You will have to go do interviews find a good fit etc.

Re: Ask HN: Why is it easier to get a raise with a new job?

#66
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The alternative would be to actually measure how much employees are worth, and pay them that amount minus overhead. However, most employers have no idea how much each employee is worth, especially in engineering. The equation is basically “coder? Ok, add $50k. special coder? Ok, add another $50k. We can’t do too many of those though.” It’s like, utterly out of touch with the actual business value that people create.…

An apple pie is delicious. I believe it's 17% because of the sugar, 36% because of the butter, 12% from the egg, and 45% from the apple. See the problem with your proposal?

We should clearly fire the egg.

Re: Ask HN: Why is it easier to get a raise with a new job?

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I was able to average 18% raises for over a decade by switching jobs nearly every year. Hmm. For those curious, assuming I still understand how to do basic math like this and a few relatively low starting salaries for year one: 40k*(1.18^10) = 209k 60k*(1.18^10) = 314k 80k*(1.18^10) = 418k Are you one of these software engineers I hear about making 400k? I suppose I would find 150k-200k as more believable since you…

I'm also a remote software engineer, and my guess is that you're starting too high. My first job (on-site in Ohio) paid something like $7.50/hr (so ~$15k annually), and I'm now at $165k base 14 years later. That puts me in the same ballpark of 18% annually.

I started at $30k in 2004 and by 2017 I made $200k. It is about 18% on average. The biggest jumps in a single year was 2009 going from $55k to $80k in a 3 month period, 2011 going from $80k to $110k, and 2013 going from $117k to $140k by using a counteroffer.
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