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A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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Post by rhizome »

mbesto wrote: post #56
m0zg wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not "migrant" labor. It's labor which consists of people who _have broken US law_, and it's hired by people who are also breaking US law. It's like that article a few weeks back which called an armed home invader an "unwanted house visitor". These people _can't legally work here_, like, at all. If this is something you don't like, have your congresspeople change the law. Selective enforcement of laws is an insan…

> It's labor which consists of people who _have broken US law_, and it's hired by people who are also breaking US law Of which Trump himself is guilty of [0]. Why isn't Trump in jail for that specific crime already then? You see the parent's point now? [0] - https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-trump-organization-emp...

His position in indefensible, so he's moved on to another thread.

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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Post by m0zg »

mbesto wrote: post #56
m0zg wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not "migrant" labor. It's labor which consists of people who _have broken US law_, and it's hired by people who are also breaking US law. It's like that article a few weeks back which called an armed home invader an "unwanted house visitor". These people _can't legally work here_, like, at all. If this is something you don't like, have your congresspeople change the law. Selective enforcement of laws is an insan…

> It's labor which consists of people who _have broken US law_, and it's hired by people who are also breaking US law Of which Trump himself is guilty of [0]. Why isn't Trump in jail for that specific crime already then? You see the parent's point now? [0] - https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-trump-organization-emp...

Seems like you wanted to use the verb "was", at least according to the article. And I very much doubt Trump knowingly hired illegals as there are severe criminal punishments for knowingly hiring more than 10.

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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Post by rgbrenner »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #79
bilbo0s wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically like the states that want to take water from the great lakes. Texas is crying foul because of New Mexico's actions. Florida expects to be given access to the water resources of Georgia, (even though the Army Corps of Engineers has been clear that Georgia needs the resources for things like navigation and, crucially, flood control.) States like Nevada expect access to Great Lakes water. You even have really…

> Florida expects to be given access to the water resources of Georgia, (even though the Army Corps of Engineers has been clear that Georgia needs the resources for things like navigation and, crucially, flood control.) My dumb model says that adding a large drain to Georgia's water system (aqueducts to Florida) is a pretty strong flood control in itself. How does this damage Georgia's flood control capacity?

Aquifers aren't like plastic water bottles that can be refilled when empty. Depending on the soil, when it dries out the structure can collapse/compact, greatly reducing the amount of water it can hold in the future permanently.

https://water.usgs.gov/edu/earthgwlandsubside.html

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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Post by thomasjudge »

dwd wrote: post #100
marci wrote: post #66

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Before that happen, it will probably be cheaper to buy water from poorer countries, which will destabilize those regions (locals won't be able to buy their own water), and thus start war.

Fiji for example? Vox recently covered the history of their Fiji Water brand. https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/1/7/18171384/fiji-water-gir...

...owned by the Wonderful company, the same company that is the subject of the article...

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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Post by DiabloD3 »

quakeguy wrote: post #73
DiabloD3 wrote: post #72

So, is it me, or is their font choice obnoxiously hard to read? Why can't people just choose screen readable fonts. This is their font: http://www.hoftype.com/sinanova It is very obvious it was designed for printed text, not screens. It's like they wanted Garamond (ahem: https://designforhackers.com/blog/garamond/ ), but shot themselves in the foot with an even worse one. Usually I can prove bad font choices happen b…

Same here, the font is terrible for mobile devices telling from seeing it on iOS and Android. Strangely, the web version with an updated browser does not have this problem.

So, I tried it in other browsers (look, if I have to use other browsers to read things, the Internet has a problem), Edge is most readable in LoDPI, Chrome still is visually fatiguing but readable, Firefox has the most correct rendering but also the worst readability (I'm primarily a Firefox user).

On HiDPI (2x DPI on Apple Retina), its, eh, all of them are readable but fatiguing, no clear winner.

On my 3x dpi Android phone, its the least bad due to just the shear number of pixels. In Firefox and in Chrome, it still exhibits a lot of oddity. The stems are inconsistent in their width (being skinny and being at such high DPI makes it very noticeable), and the visual rhythm of the words is even worse.

I don't even want to read the article anymore, screw it.

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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Post by mcguire »

bilbo0s wrote: post #74
AngryData wrote: post #8

It is all fun and games until the last drop of water gets sucked up. Then they will (already are in some cases) bitch and complain that other states don't pipeline then hundreds of millions of gallons of water while disparaging those same states for not following the same short-sighted and unsustainable practices.

Basically like the states that want to take water from the great lakes. Texas is crying foul because of New Mexico's actions. Florida expects to be given access to the water resources of Georgia, (even though the Army Corps of Engineers has been clear that Georgia needs the resources for things like navigation and, crucially, flood control.) States like Nevada expect access to Great Lakes water. You even have really…

And Georgia wants part of the Tennessee. (https://www.wabe.org/georgia-lawmakers-revisit-tennessee-bor...)

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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Post by mbesto »

m0zg wrote: post #102
mbesto wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's labor which consists of people who _have broken US law_, and it's hired by people who are also breaking US law Of which Trump himself is guilty of [0]. Why isn't Trump in jail for that specific crime already then? You see the parent's point now? [0] - https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-trump-organization-emp...

Seems like you wanted to use the verb "was", at least according to the article. And I very much doubt Trump knowingly hired illegals as there are severe criminal punishments for knowingly hiring more than 10.

> And I very much doubt Trump knowingly hired illegals

I very much doubt any somewhat-savvy businessperson hires illegals "knowingly". In other words, it's just plausible deniability.

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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Post by wahern »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #94
ebcode wrote: post #81

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That's another good point. Then the only way I could see it working universally is if you assign a price to the water consumed, where it's costlier in CA than VA. Then you can say that a single almond grown in CA uses $.001 H2O, but in VA it's $.0001 H2O, or something like that. It's just a thought experiment, of course. But it seems like a worthwhile one, if only to introduce the idea of accountability for the cost…

The normal way to do this is to charge for the ingredient at source. It seems easier to change the California laws (constitution?) so that agriculture pays per gallon of water.

I don't know the specifics in California but property rights in water are complex, especially in the Western U.S. A mere change in regulations, even under a state constitution, might constitute a regulatory taking (i.e. a taking of property requiring just compensation under the 5th Amendment).

Because the issues are so complex, the legal terrain so unclear, and the consequences of an adverse court ruling so substantial, not to mention the politics, legislators are reticent to impose such strong measures.

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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Post by thaumasiotes »

GavinMcG wrote: post #85
thaumasiotes wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Florida expects to be given access to the water resources of Georgia, (even though the Army Corps of Engineers has been clear that Georgia needs the resources for things like navigation and, crucially, flood control.) My dumb model says that adding a large drain to Georgia's water system (aqueducts to Florida) is a pretty strong flood control in itself. How does this damage Georgia's flood control capacity?

Because the issue is flood control . Simply lowering Georgia's water table doesn't change the fact that there's variable input. Also places with less water can still flood. See Arizona.

> Simply lowering Georgia's water table doesn't change the fact that there's variable input.

But that's not what I asked about. The idea was to massively increase Georgia's water output capacity. This would seem to make it easier to handle unexpectedly large input.

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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Post by m0zg »

mbesto wrote: post #107
m0zg wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like you wanted to use the verb "was", at least according to the article. And I very much doubt Trump knowingly hired illegals as there are severe criminal punishments for knowingly hiring more than 10.

> And I very much doubt Trump knowingly hired illegals I very much doubt any somewhat-savvy businessperson hires illegals "knowingly". In other words, it's just plausible deniability.

Farmers do.
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