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A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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> there's really only so long you can make an aqueduct This doesn't make any sense. Oil pipelines cross continents.

Good luck watering your fields with a 1m diam pipeline...

Or, to expand on this, a gallon of oil makes a car go dozens of miles, while a gallon of water won't even flush a toilet; volumetrically, the US uses about 50 times as much water as oil.

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Reading this I couldn't stop thinking about the Jack Nicholson movie Chinatown. It's a story of rich men fighting over water rights in the thirties. Apparently very little in California has changed over the years.

“Chinatown” was a simplified take on the water wars in California ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_water_wars ). The book “Cadillac Desert” is a somewhat depressing history of what happened. The whole thing, including the present day, is the story of how something beautiful to the beholder can be built upon a squalid mess from the get-go.

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> One day water will be more valuable than oil, and like oil it will start wars. Is this true? Its true that natural sources of water might be scant, but what happens if we just build huge desal plants all along the CA coast and pipe in the water? And what if those desal plants are powered by cheap renewable energy?

Before that happen, it will probably be cheaper to buy water from poorer countries, which will destabilize those regions (locals won't be able to buy their own water), and thus start war.

If only there was an example of something like this happening recently... [0].

[0]: https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/10/2012109936...

Re: A Kingdom from Dust (2018)

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But where you are located isn't what matters, it's where the water was consumed. It does not matter where you are eating Californian almonds; those almonds still used Californian water.

That's another good point. Then the only way I could see it working universally is if you assign a price to the water consumed, where it's costlier in CA than VA. Then you can say that a single almond grown in CA uses $.001 H2O, but in VA it's $.0001 H2O, or something like that. It's just a thought experiment, of course. But it seems like a worthwhile one, if only to introduce the idea of accountability for the cost…

The normal way to do this is to charge for the ingredient at source. It seems easier to change the California laws (constitution?) so that agriculture pays per gallon of water.

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Help me out here. Why is using such vast quantities of water necessarily a bad thing? It evaporates right back into the atmosphere and then condenses and finds its way to the rivers again and again. It doesn't disappear. It doesn't get irretrievably ruined with industrial chemicals. Is this mostly about limited capacity?

Most rainfall (77% according to this [0]) falls over the ocean. So we suck fresh water out of the ground and then turn it into salt water. [0] https://earthscience.stackexchange.com/questions/233/what-is...

If you read the post you've linked to, you'll see that it then evaporates right back out of the ocean, and even though most of it falls back into the ocean again, 10% of that evaporation falls onto the land as well. 10% is not as little as you might think, since 96.5% of the water is in the ocean. TL;DR: it's also not a one-way situation.

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It's interesting to think of the state of California as one ginormous mining-town. Only instead of some rare mineral that will one day be exhausted, it's the groundwater in the aquifer that underlies the entire valley. The concept of virtual water may help us to treat this vital resource with more care. I'm imagining something like a nutrition label, where there's an estimate of how many liters/gallons of water is ne…

People do not change their behavior until forced to by a major situation. Some labels aren't going to change anything.

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Or people will have the city of LA in a more sensible region.

The temperature itself already makes LA a pretty sensible location. It also takes resources dealing with weather and extremes of temperature it lacks. Doing the math an aquaduct pipeline from a wet region could ironically be the cheaper option compared to heavier use of heating and air conditioning.

Nothing ironic about it. Liquid water is rather easy and efficient to move in pipelines, it just expensive capital costs and the associated politics.

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I would urge everybody to watch the National Geographic video on Netflix “Water & Power: A California Heist”. Gives a complete different view of this couple. https://www.netflix.com/title/80168231

>Gives a complete different view of this couple.

The impression I got from the article wasn't one that wholly praised them.

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So, is it me, or is their font choice obnoxiously hard to read? Why can't people just choose screen readable fonts. This is their font: http://www.hoftype.com/sinanova It is very obvious it was designed for printed text, not screens. It's like they wanted Garamond (ahem: https://designforhackers.com/blog/garamond/ ), but shot themselves in the foot with an even worse one. Usually I can prove bad font choices happen b…

Agreed. It's scientifically proven that sans-serif fonts are easier to read on digital screens because of pixel rendering, brightness and the vertical scrolling surface.

It's the fault of designers who think UX is just pretty UI.

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> One day water will be more valuable than oil, and like oil it will start wars. Is this true? Its true that natural sources of water might be scant, but what happens if we just build huge desal plants all along the CA coast and pipe in the water? And what if those desal plants are powered by cheap renewable energy?

Before that happen, it will probably be cheaper to buy water from poorer countries, which will destabilize those regions (locals won't be able to buy their own water), and thus start war.

Fiji for example?

Vox recently covered the history of their Fiji Water brand.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/1/7/18171384/fiji-water-gir...

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