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Tiny PWAs and why I keep building them

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Re: Tiny PWAs and why I keep building them

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

avhon1 wrote: post #138
roryisok wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was my first reaction. If I was pulled over in Ireland with no dash the car would be impounded . And the speedometer is great but what about the other info? Fuel gauge? Mileage? Battery Charge? Engine faults?? Geolocation won't help with any of those. That said I do love the PWA approach to things and I think more people should embrace it. Just... not for this.

I'm comfortable with driving without any of those things -- my motorcycle, for example, only has a speedometer and a non-resettable odometer. (It's like that from the factory. Many street-legal motorcycles are similarly equipped.) You know how much fuel you have by knowing the capacity of you vehicle's tank, how many hours or miles you have driven, and your pre-existing (or found on the internet) knowledge of you veh…

That made me smirk. My motorcycle has a fuel gauge, but it's about as useful as a chocolate teapot. It manages a reasonable guess if on motorways. Normal riding and leaning and it may as well not be there. :)

I just do what I've done with every bike, reset the trip when I fill.

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Post by crooked-v »

hutzlibu wrote: post #128
oosjc9a5 wrote: post #116

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I am very happy that the web has no more APIs. I'm already tired enough of telling my browser that I don't want any website to send me notifications, to access my location, to access my camera, my microphone. And God knows what goes behind my back. Enough is enough!

That is because of bad usability of the browsers, though. Default should be for example some icon indicating that the website wants more permission ... and then if I feel like it, I grant more permission. Til the point of fully trusting and giving all access. But a website is a website I just read and will never get more permissions from me. But a pwa ... like a game, I would grant more permissions. This is something…

For comparison, there's old-school Flash, where the permission box for camera/microphone would be overlaid on the bit asking for said permission instead of modally blocking the page, and if you didn't give permission, it would still work fine, just with blank camera/microphone feeds.

Re: Tiny PWAs and why I keep building them

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Post by kamikaz1k »

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #17

> “surely there is a app for that!” A quick look leads to speedometer apps with ads and 30MB download weight, and simple screen light that also have ads that weight in at 5MB. I’m finally groking what rms has been banging on about for so long. It is completely unacceptable that we are running software that does this to the user. Users need to be empowered and able to run code that they can control.

Who/what is "rms"?

Re: Tiny PWAs and why I keep building them

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Post by detaro »

kamikaz1k wrote: post #143
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #17

> “surely there is a app for that!” A quick look leads to speedometer apps with ads and 30MB download weight, and simple screen light that also have ads that weight in at 5MB. I’m finally groking what rms has been banging on about for so long. It is completely unacceptable that we are running software that does this to the user. Users need to be empowered and able to run code that they can control.

Who/what is "rms"?

Richard Stallman

Re: Tiny PWAs and why I keep building them

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Post by lazulicurio »

avhon1 wrote: post #135
varjag wrote: post #39

I'm amazed there's a jurisdiction in a developed nation where driving a car with dead dashboard is legal.

Where I live (Indiana, USA) the authorities would only find out I had a dead dashboard if I got into an accident and they discovered it while investigating. There are no vehicle inspections, ever. As long as I continue to drive without causing incidents, my vehicle's condition is of little significance to anyone except me.

This is the case in most (AFAIK) of the US. Wikipedia has a map[1] summarizing required inspections state-by-state. Only ~1/3 have safety-related inspections. Emissions inspections are a bit more common, but nowhere near universal.

I know where I live, it's common to see vehicles that would be unsafe driving at highway speeds, but no one cares as long as they work well enough for local driving.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_inspection_in_the_Unit...

Re: Tiny PWAs and why I keep building them

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Post by cronix »

avhon1 wrote: post #135
varjag wrote: post #39

I'm amazed there's a jurisdiction in a developed nation where driving a car with dead dashboard is legal.

Where I live (Indiana, USA) the authorities would only find out I had a dead dashboard if I got into an accident and they discovered it while investigating. There are no vehicle inspections, ever. As long as I continue to drive without causing incidents, my vehicle's condition is of little significance to anyone except me.

Or if they pull you over for something, but then the first thing they ask is to turn your car off so they'd never see it anyway. Usually you pull over, turn your car off and put your hands on the steering wheel so when the police approach they know you don't have a weapon in your hands, or at least that was the etiquette I was taught.

> There are no vehicle inspections, ever. As long as I continue to drive without causing incidents, my vehicle's condition is of little significance to anyone except me.

You don't have DEQ? While it doesn't cover the dashboard, it certainly covers other equipment on the car to know if you're polluting more than the set threshold.

Edit: just saw the reply below mine as it wasn't there when I was typing. I didn't realize that DEQ (Dept. of Environmental Quality) wasn't a national thing. Every 2 years I have to take it in and they hook into the cars OBD2 port to read the cars computer to get the sensor readings. Before computers were in cars, they stuck a sensor up your tailpipe and you had to rev the car up to 6,000 RPM for a few minutes (something like that, it's been a long time). You'll probably remember the big volkswagon scandal over this for falsifying the data.

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Post by Thasc »

pnw_hazor wrote: post #90
tw1010 wrote: post #86

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You wouldn't introduce the acronym "omg" since what it stands for is so well known. I'd argue the same is true in this scenario.

What does PWA mean? After reading some comments I guess personal web apps but I not sure.

Progressive web app. They're kind of like JavaScript-driven websites that think they're native apps. They tend to be characterised by their use of modern web standards to do some useful things, like being available offline, and caching everything heavily to cut down load time. It's like a website you can install, basically.

Re: Tiny PWAs and why I keep building them

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Post by cronix »

varjag wrote: post #75
roryisok wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was my first reaction. If I was pulled over in Ireland with no dash the car would be impounded . And the speedometer is great but what about the other info? Fuel gauge? Mileage? Battery Charge? Engine faults?? Geolocation won't help with any of those. That said I do love the PWA approach to things and I think more people should embrace it. Just... not for this.

Really doubt you are legally allowed to use GPS based speedometer in place of actual one either.

Ok, but it's more accurate than the spedometer in my higher end car, which seems to be off by about 4.6mph lol. I was always wondering why those speed radar things on the side of the road that tell how fast you are going (usually in residential neighborhoods) were consistently showing me going about 5mpg slower than my car was indicating until I checked with my phone gps. So, I was consistently going about 5 mph under the posted speed limit because apparently BMW can't make a decent speedometer gauge!

The fuel gauge in my dads pickup is also really whacked. Once it hits about 50% fuel left, it rapidly goes down to 0. Cars don't burn though higher rates of fuel just because of how much is in the tank.

Re: Tiny PWAs and why I keep building them

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Post by detaro »

cronix wrote: post #148
varjag wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really doubt you are legally allowed to use GPS based speedometer in place of actual one either.

Ok, but it's more accurate than the spedometer in my higher end car, which seems to be off by about 4.6mph lol. I was always wondering why those speed radar things on the side of the road that tell how fast you are going (usually in residential neighborhoods) were consistently showing me going about 5mpg slower than my car was indicating until I checked with my phone gps. So, I was consistently going about 5 mph unde…

At least in some places, e.g. here in Germany, the speedometer is never allowed to show a slower speed than the car is actually going, so they err on showing too fast (up to 10% allowed I think) so that never happens, even if you put the fattest tires allowed for the model on etc.

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Post by pjmlp »

nerdponx wrote: post #123
pjmlp wrote: post #107

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Because it would work like permissions on Android or Windows UAC, regular users would just turn everything on anyway.

Maybe. On Android, iOS, Firefox extensions, and many websites, you can't give permission for one thing without giving permission for everything. Or those "I accept cookies popups" -- until recently, you couldn't choose which cookies you wanted to accept, so either you accept tracking cookies in order to use basic functionality, or you head elsewhere. The application developer could be a good citizen and request on th…

I would argue that it failed to be successfully demonstrated with uBlock, as my premise was about regular users, not consumers with technical skills to go into browser settings.
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