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Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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I find the US prudishness thing so fascinating. I'm travelling at the moment, and meeting lots of Americans (and Europeans for contrast). There's definitely a huge difference in tolerance for swearing and blasphemy. Also several well-educated and seemingly intelligent Americans who hold strong racist opinions. But that's another subject. I guess it all comes down to the religion. Americans do seem to be more religiou…

> Though I can't find that anywhere in any of the commandments, or the new testament. A quibble - while this negative view of sex may not be the view of other texts in the Bible, it is very clearly part of Paul's worldview, as evidenced in e.g. 2 Corinthians.

> while this negative view of sex may not be the view of other texts in the Bible, it is very clearly part of Paul's worldview, as evidenced in e.g. 2 Corinthians.

A further quibble - Paul's worldview wrt. sex is actually, and very clearly, a negative view of Graeco-Roman sexual practices, which were by-and-large openly exploitive. And that negative view was broadly shared by philosophers at the time, especially within Stoicism[1] - indeed, there had been at least some philosophically-inspired criticism of Greek practices, however understated, even centuries before Jesus or Paul.

[1] The broader historical analogies between Stoic and early Christian views actually explain a lot of early Christianity's success, particularly within Graeco-Roman elites. We have sources essentially stating as much, such as one Stoic philosopher regarding "the wise king of the Jews" as the equal of Socrates and Pythagoras-- in that all of them were unjustly murdered, and yet their wisdom spread thereafter; proving that the favor of the gods is what really matters in the end.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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In general, superstitious behavior tends to win over non-superstitious behavior, even if it is a small minority.

For example, say there are two communities in a given town; one of the community has decided that black doors were evil, and won't go through them. The other community doesn't care.

Shops that have black doors lose the business of the superstitious community; even if that community is small, it simply makes no sense for a shop owner to keep a black door, whereas if the door is another color, it will cause no problem with anyone. And so, pretty soon there will be no black doors anywhere.

This may appear controversial, but the fact is you can't fight superstition with openness because openness accepts superstition and lets it grow and conquer everything. The only way to combat superstition is to actively fight it.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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In general, superstitious behavior tends to win over non-superstitious behavior, even if it is a small minority . For example, say there are two communities in a given town; one of the community has decided that black doors were evil, and won't go through them. The other community doesn't care. Shops that have black doors lose the business of the superstitious community; even if that community is small, it simply mak…

Taleb has a piece on this exact observation https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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What's interesting to me is how Americans don't bat an eye on all the violence exposed in movies, music and games, but then become prudish when it comes to sex. And these are the traits of the exported American culture. In my European country it is perfectly normal to have pictures of your children naked. It's also OK for them to see a nude body now and then, like at the beach (and yes I am aware that I'm not talking…

> So as a citizen of an EU country that's not prudish about sex, why do I have to suffer from the censorship of US companies? Conversely, I found out after travelling a lot in Europe, making foreigner friends and moving to another state it's not about being prudish about sex but about nudity . From my (admittedly limited) experience Americans are much less prudish about sex than Europeans (especially Western EU count…

> Again, from my experience, Germany (my new country of residence) is extremely open about nudity while at the same time being similarly repressed about sexuality.

It's notable that younger people have a way more repressed sexuality than folks which are in the 35..40 to 60ish age bracket currently.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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I find the US prudishness thing so fascinating. I'm travelling at the moment, and meeting lots of Americans (and Europeans for contrast). There's definitely a huge difference in tolerance for swearing and blasphemy. Also several well-educated and seemingly intelligent Americans who hold strong racist opinions. But that's another subject. I guess it all comes down to the religion. Americans do seem to be more religiou…

To be fair, no major Christian church teaches that enjoying sex is a sin.

The Roman Catholic Church does teach that contraception is sinful. No major Protestant church does.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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On the contrary, pornography killed the internet I loved. Every chan gets infested with it, it's gotten to the point where 8/b/ has had to limit it to two threads because nothing but pornography was being posted and it's a great way to instantly derail existing threads. This is one of the reasons why I straight up don't allow images on Ratwires.

This is also true - as always, there are two sides to a conversation.

I remember altavista being ruined by the porn industry. I also remember not needing to go through loops to see "uncensored" fantasy (the D&D type) artwork, where female upper bodies might be uncovered.

To overcome this the actual content needs to return to it's origin: personal/organisational websites, with their own forums, and for legislation writers to leave them alone. In the meanwhile, the rest of the world needs moderators, not automated, bad upload filters.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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post #172

In general, superstitious behavior tends to win over non-superstitious behavior, even if it is a small minority . For example, say there are two communities in a given town; one of the community has decided that black doors were evil, and won't go through them. The other community doesn't care. Shops that have black doors lose the business of the superstitious community; even if that community is small, it simply mak…

Exactly what is happening with planes. I'm still astonished every time I get into one and see the missing row 13. It's so ridiculous...

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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There's nude art subreddits, no? And Vimeo has a bunch of channels featuring nudity on stage, nude art performances etc. It's video though, and maybe not super popular on a global scale, but just mentioning this to counter the 'all is lost' feeling the article sometimes gave me while reading through it. For the rest though I wholeheartedly agree: the input (keyboard) and in between (servers) and output (search result…

It's shrinking. Tumblr is down. How long do you think reddit will resist? Also you can launch a website like Nerve if you want, I'm sure you'll find servers to host it. But who will know about it if you're not in Google's search results, and Facebook doesn't allow linking to your articles?

> But who will know about it if you're not in Google's search results, and Facebook doesn't allow linking to your articles?

When I was a teenager, underground things that you only heard about through word of mouth, were cool, and I think it still is. The ones actually interested will find these things beyond Google or Facebook, which is the in-your-face mainstream in 2019. However, there is no money in it, like it should be with communities.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

#179

This doesnt make sense to me. Core internet community experiences to me have always been about smaller sites, message boards, mailing lists, chatrooms, voice chat groups, etc. Seeing large corporation websites like tumblr, reddit, facebook crack down on content doesn't stop any of that. it just means you need to get out of your internet bubble.

One bubble you will find very hard to get out of is the search bubble, defined by the big 2-3 search engines, predominantly Google. And that bubble pretty much defines the Internet itself for most people.

Re: Sex censorship killed the internet we love

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post #172

In general, superstitious behavior tends to win over non-superstitious behavior, even if it is a small minority . For example, say there are two communities in a given town; one of the community has decided that black doors were evil, and won't go through them. The other community doesn't care. Shops that have black doors lose the business of the superstitious community; even if that community is small, it simply mak…

Exactly what is happening with planes. I'm still astonished every time I get into one and see the missing row 13. It's so ridiculous...

Some buildings don't have any floors labeled with a 4 because it is unlucky in China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_numerology#Four

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