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Microsoft’s Resurgence Under Satya Nadella

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Post by baybal2 »

drewrv wrote: post #203
twblalock wrote: post #84

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Trying to compete in mobile and failing is a misstep. Microsoft missed out on smartphones, one of the fastest growing and most lucrative market segments in tech industry history. Trying to compete in search and failing is also a misstep. Bing is just not as good as Google. It's arguable that Azure would not have been successful under Ballmer either, because it's unlikely he would have embraced Linux to the extent tha…

Mobile was obviously a big failure on their part, though I think their only misstep was being late to market. On the other hand bing has been good for them (and it's great for consumers). Hard to call a multi-million dollar business unit a failure.

Microsoft had mobile in its pocket - original win mobile that competed with Palm had the dominant market share, and it would've had more if they didn't nuke it with revamped win mobile.

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Post by remir »

sonnyblarney wrote: post #194
remir wrote: post #192

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Everything is about perception. What Satya did was change Microsoft's image and culture for the better, insuring Microsoft's cash cows have a future and stay relevant in a world that is changing rapidly with other strong competitors. Ballmer's style of leadership would not fly today. Saying stuff like Linux is cancer, the iPhone a toy/joke, acting like a clown during conference.

"What Satya did was change Microsoft's image and culture for the better, insuring Microsoft's cash cows have a future and stay relevant in a world that is changing rapidly with other strong competitors. Ballmer's style of leadership would not fly today. " Totally disagree. Which of MS customers do you think care about 'perception' of how nice the CEO is? Do you think Siemens is going to spend $500M on Google cloud be…

This goes beyond what the customers think of the CEO. This is about culture, about employees morale, about attracting developers who may have been against using some of MS products in the past for all sorts of reasons.

Perhaps having Linux in Azure was inevitable, like you said, but I don't think something like the Linux subsystem stuff they implemented in Windows 10 would have been OKayd by Ballmer. Same thing with stuff like VS Code and the new switch to Chromium for Edge.

It's about a culture where these kinds of ideas are encouraged and can develop into features and products.

Why is Google so successful? Because the culture allows people's ideas to develop into what became huge products loved by millions of people.

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Post by dlp211 »

Roboprog wrote: post #160
GordonS wrote: post #80

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So, it seems like you are describing the car crash that was Windows 8? Seriously, if you haven't tried Windows 10 since it first came out, try it - I held out on Windows 7 for years, but I'm really glad I switched.

I can’t thing of anything useful that MS added since Windows XP. Going from 16 bit cooperative to 32 bit preemptive in the 3.x to 9x change, useful. Going to multiple accounts with permissions in the 9x to XP change, useful. Rearranging the UI time and again since Vista, and sucking up CPUs with scannning processes, so what? Note that I really only used Windows at work, anyway (instead of Linux, or more recently OSX)…

The secure driver model.

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Post by rasz »

skizm wrote: post #156
Ruxbin1986 wrote: post #126

Steve Ballmer, technical bits aside. Just couldn't play as a successful CEO in PR Role. He was too aggressive, abrasive and even somewhat rude. Aside from that, one of thing most amusing things and one Ballmer excellent business moves was suing nearly every Android Smartphone Company for patent infringement. Microsoft literally makes money off of Android Smartphones but what's confusing to me is how Apple takes all o…

IIRC the android revenue is rolled into the x-box revenue under some nebulous category when they break out revenue in their earning (forget the exact title). This hides the massive losses they are taking on x-box and all things x-box related. The android revenue is almost pure profit and nearly $2B annually. (they make this money by licencing patents to phone makers that use android such as HTC and Samsung)

Arent most of those patents pure junk? Afair the only valid patent in there was something to do with FAT long filenames , and that one was killed with Linus help back in 2013.

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Post by cenal »

gatvol wrote: post #102
king_magic wrote: post #74

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Uh, Azure revenue, by many accounts, is greater than AWS: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobevans1/2018/10/29/1-microsof... https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobevans1/2018/04/27/microsoft-... And sorry, G Suite is a joke compared to desktop Office for serious work. It doesn't matter what the youngin's prefer, what matters is what gets (or facilitates getting) real work done in the enterprise, which generally revolves aroun…

You ever tried actually using Azure `services`? What a joke! On the surface they try to have feature parity with their AWS analogues, scratch the surface any that illusion quickly evaporates. Nowhere close. As for O365 - old mode, still nowhere close to GSuite for new ways of working.

Azure Active Directory leaves a lot to be desired.

Seem like a phenomenal miscalculation to not have this built out as a cloud service already.

It would help keep more small companies in a Windows ecosystem and bring them into office 365.

The version they have today seems to offer 10% of the on premise solution.

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Post by kccqzy »

chadcmulligan wrote: post #154
coreypreston wrote: post #125

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Microsoft takes earnest shots at hardware, it might not always work out but I appreciate the effort. Long live the Zune!

I love my microsoft natural ergonomic keyboard 4000

I like my Microsoft mice too.

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Post by tphan »

kccqzy wrote: post #216
chadcmulligan wrote: post #154

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I love my microsoft natural ergonomic keyboard 4000

I like my Microsoft mice too.

I'm super loyal to the Microsoft Basic mouse. It lasts forever whereas all the Logitech M100's that I've purchased (and I've purchased a lot of them) don't last more than 6 months. Sad!

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Post by grumpydba »

GordonS wrote: post #76
nostromo wrote: post #65

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The problem is they are no longer best-of-breed for any of their markets, except maybe Office. Microsoft doesn't break out Azure revenue, but by all accounts it's quite small compared to AWS. And Office is very much under threat. If you work with young people you'll notice they tend to prefer G Suite apps over Office - most likely because Google has done a great job getting their software into schools.

> The problem is they are no longer best-of-breed for any of their markets Operating systems? I personally love Windows 10 (now its more mature), and Windows Server 2019 is embracing containers. On cloud, AWS is very entrenched, but Microsoft can capture a lot of the enterprise market. I've worked extensively with Azure, and I think it's a fantastic product. TBH, I'm not sure there is a "best of breed" cloud provider…

Windows operating systems are just a gigantic bloated and underperforming mess.

Server 2019 is no exception.

At the company I work for IT ops deliver VMs as a service. The windows ones have huge disk footprint and take at least 3 times as long to deliver. Moreover dsc is not featureful enough compared with ansible. So it's also a pain to script/automate for. The failure rate is higher. And let's not forget the need to put antivirus on them.

Lots and lots of reasons to escape from that platform, I could go on for a while.

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Post by grumpydba »

VRay wrote: post #34
devereaux wrote: post #20

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Regarding #1, eventually I expect Microsoft to release their own Linux distribution and keep Windows as a GUI. I would not be surprised if their failed project Astoria was reused to run android apps on that.

Speaking as an OS engineer who's worked on both kernels a lot, Windows is way better under the hood for low-latency, responsive end user stuff than linux Then again, WinMo 7 was way faster and more responsive than Android at the time, and look how that turned out..

> Speaking as an OS engineer who's worked on both kernels a lot, Windows is way better under the hood for low-latency, responsive end user stuff than linux

Still it's probably a lot cheaper to fix some latency issues on linux that to maintain your whole kernel. The main issue with linux is the GPL for drivers, a long with kernel API instability.

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Post by grumpydba »

bradford wrote: post #79
VRay wrote: post #31

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I take it you don't know anyone who works at MSFT?

I work at MSFT. There's a difference between being critical of a product in an effort to improve it, and classifying the product as 'crap'. My opinion, and I think most msft employees would share it, fall into the former, and not the latter. There's a lot to be proud of in both Windows and Azure, even with full recognition that they aren't perfect.

What about bing then ?
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