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One of the Biggest At-Home DNA Testing Companies Is Working with the FBI

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Re: One of the Biggest At-Home DNA Testing Companies Is Working with the FBI

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Few people taking theses tests understand or care about the privacy-destroying effect of what they're doing to themselves and their families. For example, this is from the AncestryDNA (different company) terms of service: By submitting User Provided Content to AncestryDNA, you grant AncestryDNA and the Ancestry Group Companies a perpetual, royalty-free, worldwide, sublicensable, transferable license to host, transfer…

>what they're doing to themselves and their families. This only encourages me. My DNA is on record in various places, and if any relative of mine commits a crime I want the honor of being the person who fucked them and sent them to prison. I would tout the event as an esteemed accomplishment. Everyone seems to be worried about a sci-fi movie where clones are made from cheek swabs or corporations use DNA to deny certa…

Right up until that crime happens to be homosexuality (oh you meant western values crimes...)

Or you can't get a job because you're closely related to a felon.

Or a loan because you are closely related to someone who filed for bankruptcy.

I could go on. There's more "ors" here than on a viking raiding ship.

Re: One of the Biggest At-Home DNA Testing Companies Is Working with the FBI

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That's wonderful if the crime is something clear-cut like murder. We can generally all agree that it is unethical and worthy of punishment. What if it's something we can't quite agree on, or tyranny of the majority? Joe McCarthy happened once, and he didn't give a shit about ex post facto. Presuming someone like him will never come along again is a road to pain and suffering. Spend ten minutes reading about what Cryp…

> I've known 2 people who have had LEOs as stalkers What's an LEO? My first thought is Low Earth Orbit, but obviously that's not right. Googling "leo" and "leo stalker" doesn't bring up much apart from horoscopes.

Law Enforcement Officer

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Re: One of the Biggest At-Home DNA Testing Companies Is Working with the FBI

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Is there anything quite as shared as DNA? You share 99.xxx percent with everyone else. You share a significant portion with other species. Other living things.

> Is there anything quite as shared as DNA? Music for example. The same poool of musical notes in 100% of compositions. Just arranged in different ways, like DNA

Completely wrong analogy. Most genes sequences are completely identical between humans. The differences in genes for specific traits are marginal, percentage wise.

Re: One of the Biggest At-Home DNA Testing Companies Is Working with the FBI

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> and their families That's how a local cold murder case was solved last year. DNA from a 25-year-old crime scene was run against the samples in one of these genealogy databases, and they found a familial match. Police set up a sting to covertly collect DNA from that person's immediate family. They got their DNA match with a brother's water bottle police took from a trash can after he worked a DJ gig at a school. htt…

Total surveillance or global DNA law enforcement database would solve many murders and prevent wrongful convictions. However, it would also give many opportunities for framing convenient suspects and "encouraging" confessions. I am sure your case was above board but, being born in a totalitarian state, I do not trust law enforcement too much and prefer to err on the side of not solving some crimes. My 2c.

The UK takes DNA samples of every person arrested. There it's controlled by the government. In the US, it's held privately. Both situations are disturbing.

Re: One of the Biggest At-Home DNA Testing Companies Is Working with the FBI

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And what happens when you insurance company drops you because of potential chronic illness or an employer doest call you back.

I think there will be an insurance market for these risks as well. We are all carrying around some kind of defects anyways and we get know more and more about the risk factors and how to prevent for breakouts or gain knowledge about working around them, maybe even repair or modify.

Sure, you can get insurance for anything. You might not be able to afford the premiums, but someone will happily take your money if you can.

Re: One of the Biggest At-Home DNA Testing Companies Is Working with the FBI

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Wait a second, I though these companies didn't sequence DNA. I thought most of them just ran your DNA against known patterns to see if they patch to give you a probably/percentage of ancestry, with all the original samples being destroyed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3EEmVfbKNs

Does ancestry actually sample and save entire DNA sequences (I guess they have to in order to do family tree matching)?

Crazy.

Re: One of the Biggest At-Home DNA Testing Companies Is Working with the FBI

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The term "At Home" is very disingenuous. Spitting in a tube at home and then mailing your DNA to a lab is not At Home. A proper at-home test would be a kit that allows you to decode your DNA at home without a single strand DNA or byte of data landing on a system that does not belong to you.

How long until this is feasible? I've heard of DNA sequencing machines for $2k, but are not easy or reliable.

It wasn't that long ago that sequencing a single genome was several billion dollars. I bet it won't be that many more years until we will have home sequencing machines. Probably we'll chuckle at how we ever thought it was so complicated.
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