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One of the Biggest At-Home DNA Testing Companies Is Working with the FBI

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Re: One of the Biggest At-Home DNA Testing Companies Is Working with the FBI

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Post by mrmuagi »

bigodbiel wrote: post #182
mrmuagi wrote: post #152

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I don't think that plan follows awfully well, why on earth would you pay money for services for the sole intent to game their database into inefficiency? A spotted chance of that even working, at best you've given them money for nothing back. No, it's best to just spread the word amongst your friends, and avoid all this muck.

noise in the system?

I'm just advocating for the simpler and less costlier solution, speak with your wallet and remove yourself as data from the system, and encourage others.

Definitely don't send any money to these companies, as that's a lost game already.

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Post by notahacker »

csallen wrote: post #151
JoeSmithson wrote: post #140

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How would it let you frame convenient suspects? Surely you would need to place that suspects DNA at the scene, in which case you already have it...? Where does the database come into this?

Just because the government finds your DNA at the crime scene doesn't mean they know it's yours. They have to match it against some sort of database that connects the DNA to your identity.

There's a case against globally accessible DNA databases from the point of view of dragnet approaches picking up people whose connection to the crime scene is either totally incidental or actually nonexistent and purely down to data mixups, but that's a largely separate issue from authoritarian police trying to massage the evidence in a case against a particular person.

If you're already a "convenient suspect" the police wish to build a case against, they don't need to find you on a consumer genetics database to be able to obtain a sample of your DNA or strongly hint that they expect to be able to use DNA evidence (truthfully or otherwise) to send you away for a very long time if you're not willing to consider moving to plea bargaining territory.

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Post by [deleted] »

apo wrote: post #62

Few people taking theses tests understand or care about the privacy-destroying effect of what they're doing to themselves and their families. For example, this is from the AncestryDNA (different company) terms of service: By submitting User Provided Content to AncestryDNA, you grant AncestryDNA and the Ancestry Group Companies a perpetual, royalty-free, worldwide, sublicensable, transferable license to host, transfer…

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Re: One of the Biggest At-Home DNA Testing Companies Is Working with the FBI

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Post by hatchnyc »

It seems inevitable that nearly everyone's DNA will eventually be disclosed or available to sufficiently interested parties. You literally leave a trail of DNA behind you, the cost of collecting it has steadily fallen, and you can't change your DNA so a single security breech in your entire life is irrevocable.

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Post by walshemj »

okr wrote: post #174
walshemj wrote: post #161

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And what happens when you insurance company drops you because of potential chronic illness or an employer doest call you back.

I think there will be an insurance market for these risks as well. We are all carrying around some kind of defects anyways and we get know more and more about the risk factors and how to prevent for breakouts or gain knowledge about working around them, maybe even repair or modify.

Your naïve if you think that is how insurance works

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Post by azernik »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #45
twoquestions wrote: post #18

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`law enforcement a means to potentially quickly identify violent criminals` Go ahead and replace "law enforcement" with political group you don't like, and "violent criminals" for a group you do.

With regards to political groups, what would DNA tell you that their Facebook profile and network wouldn't?

It could tell you who a masked protester was based on the blood they left behind on a rubber bullet left on the scene, or who sent a mailed-in tip to a newspaper based on saliva on the envelope.

Just as DNA can help you find who did a criminal act, it can track down who did a political act.

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Post by joering2 »

cwkoss wrote: post #192
icelancer wrote: post #135

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This is the kind of thing that makes people not believe in the OP's story, because this is absolutely ridiculous. It's called cookie and fragment tracking across the Internet. That's what happened to you. You sold yourself out by browsing the web without sufficient content blockers.

Maybe it should be illegal to do ad tracking on sites about medical information. The fact that someone is browsing that site may be private medical information.

Considering there are only two countries in which advertising of pharmacy as allowed (to a point of fear mongering, like "the entire baby boom generation has hidden shingles - protect yourself before you die") - that is USA and Brazil, you're going to have a hard time convincing politicians to move their finger.. especially since majority of them are heavily founded by big pharma.

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Post by simple_phrases »

patejam wrote: post #88
WalterBright wrote: post #56

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Let's say the government was able to perfectly connect every person who commits a crime with that crime. Combine that against the reality that everyone commits 3 felonies a day. https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704471504574438... That's the perfect tool for oppression. Do you really want the government to be too good at solving crimes?

3 felonies a day is a lie. The fact that there's a book with that title doesn't mean it's reality. Your point is a decent one, no need to exaggerate.

> 3 felonies a day is a lie

This is a compelling argument.

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Post by pvaldes »

interestica wrote: post #168
jackhack wrote: post #159

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>It is probably wrong to think of DNA as personal property. Are you kidding? Is there anything else more personal than THE VERY THING THAT DEFINES WHAT YOU ARE AS A PHYSICAL BEING to a level of detail that science may never fully understand it? Other than one's own thoughts, I, personally, cannot think of something more personal. Conflating this with air pollution is simply nonsensical.

Is there anything quite as shared as DNA? You share 99.xxx percent with everyone else. You share a significant portion with other species. Other living things.

> Is there anything quite as shared as DNA?

Music for example. The same poool of musical notes in 100% of compositions. Just arranged in different ways, like DNA

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